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Help!! Puppy situation

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Jayzhyd89, Sep 9, 2013.


  1. Jayzhyd89

    Jayzhyd89 PetForums Newbie

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    Hiya,

    Me and my partner have put down a deposit on two Shih Tzu puppies, we are due to bring them home on the 24th.

    We have heard nothing but nightmare stories about adopting two puppies, especially from the same litter. We are at a point now where we are discussing phoning the breeder and only adopting one. We were really excited about getting two pups and now are really unsure what to do. We are very loving people who have got time to devote, but again we are just really unsure.

    Please if anyone as got any advice or help, hints, tips or stories please let us know.

    Thank you.
     
  2. Owned By A Yellow Lab

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    Most really good breeders will not sell two pups to the same family.

    Has this breeder given you details of any relevant health testing on the parent dogs - I don't know if there are any tests for this breed?

    Personally I would never, ever get two pups at the same time. One pup is really hard work. Why make things more complicated???
     
  3. LolaPup2013

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    I have to agree with OBAYL - having just had my first puppy, i can honestly say i would have struggled with two. Imagine trying to leash train two dogs. Toilet train them, stop two puppies chewing/jumping up/biting/scratching.

    Have you thought about what your plan would be,in the sense of sleeping arrangements - what about puppy classes or such, could u attend with 2 puppies? Also have to think about the cost. Insurance. Food. Vet bills and so on...

    I can however see where you are coming from, its company for the dog and think of them growing up together. But same with a newborn, u want them to have a sibling but u wouldnt do it at the same time. I would wait until youve had one and experienced it then when there a little older - get a second puppy. Last thing you want to do is get 2 and end up having to re-home one of them and separating them. That would only cause stress and upset all round.
     
  4. cinnamontoast

    cinnamontoast Sois pas chiant, chéri.

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    I've done it twice and I'm pretty ecstatic! The only thing I'd do differently is train them separately. The first two were easy, the latest two not so much :eek: They need to be trained separately so they don't so the pack thing, running off together, ignoring you etc. But I absolutely love having siblings, although I cannot understand why people get a brother and sister, they're obviously going to be at each other come the hormone stage, makes me yuk!
     
  5. stuaz

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    I knew I always wanted two dogs, but I am glad I only got one and then when she was two years old I got another and it was 'easier' the second time round as she obviously had the older one to look at so learning to sit for treats was instance, house training was pretty easy.

    One thing I have noticed with obviously having another puppy again (she is now 6 months old) that I don't personally think I could of had two puppies at once!
     
  6. Crankyhorse

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    I had two brothers from the same litter of Bichons. Training was no more complicated but they fought like Kane and Abel.

    I remember laying in bed listening to them bounce off the kitchen units in to the wee small hours. Eventually one went to an aunt and the other one stayed with us for 14 years and was the best dog ever.

    I will not get two pups at once ever again as it was not fair on the dogs or the humans.
     
  7. Owned By A Yellow Lab

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    There is also the risk that the two pups will bond more intensely with each other, than with you.

    And to reiterate: I would seriously question whether this is a good breeder, if they are happy to sell you two pups.
     
  8. BenBoy

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    Please just get one and then when it's over 18 months think about another. I had two labs the same age who weren't siblings and had scraps where my Ben had to be sedated for stitches and he is dog aggressive and I don't think this incident helped, I sometimes wonder whether he would have these problems if we hasn't had got another dog. We had to rehome the female a few months back and it broke me

    Also they could bond with each other more than bonding with you so its best to have one and bond with that and put all your energy into training and having fun. It's fun to watch dogs play together but you can meet up with others with pups/dogs, attend puppy parties and training classes.
     
  9. BenBoy

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    Great minds think alike :)
     
  10. stuaz

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    Definitely agree with the bonding. My Rough Collie who I got first, dotes on me and is very much a 'people dog'. The BC pup - too early to tell of course but as I type this she is laid next to me on the sofa with her head on my knee :)

    Don't think the bonding happens as much with dogs from the same litter.
     
  11. Apollo2012

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    I wouldn't get two pups, though its a nice thought to get two because obviously they will be company for each other, but you have to be prepared for the extra work, you have to walk and train them both separately and together, if you don't do things with them separately they can get too attached to each other and if you don't train them together too then they could completely ignore you when together, then imagine if one has to go to the vets for a day the other is going to be really upset whining, barking, destroying things if not used to doing things without its sibling. if your happy to do all the training separate and together then go for it but if not it's better to just get one and then get another dog (if you want one) when the first pup is older.
     
  12. cinnamontoast

    cinnamontoast Sois pas chiant, chéri.

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    My two are very bonded, but no more so than other dogs I've seen in the same household that aren't siblings (see my sig, pup and older dog) I maintain that the trick is in choosing the correct puppies.

    We had no sleep problems, we crate trained from day one and as soon as we realised that one needed more focus than just walking round the woods, we were sorted. They can be walked together now after lots of separate training, but it's only because one was a 'hard' dog that we had problems. My first two were easy, not over bonded and were trained in a couple of months-easy dogs. It can be done.

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  13. Hanlou

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    Indeed. But it is not something most reputable breeders would ever consider and with good reason. :)

    And if it all goes horribly wrong it will be the OP, not you, dealing with the consequences.

    To the OP - you might find (( This Article on Littermate Syndrome Helpful )) xx
     
  14. shadowmare

    shadowmare The dog doesn't bite, me on the other hand...

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    In my opinion getting 2 puppies at the same time or even within a few months period is not a good idea. I think very few people would have enough time and patience for it. Not even experienced breeders decide to do it. And there's many reasons for it... You have to house break 2 puppies. One little puppy can pee and poo loads at home. With 2 puppies it's double amount of pee and poo so make sure to hide all your rugs and carpets! It's also training and playing with 2 puppies that is more difficult. Yes, you think that getting 2 pups is good because they will keep each other company, but in a way this is a mistake - you can't expect to put in less effort to entertain them just because "they have each other". Puppies need a lot of interaction with humans. Yes, they need to be socialised with other dogs, but they live in a human world and they need to learn to be around humans. This means YOU must teach them both. There's also bad habits... It's easier for a puppy pick up on a bad habit (like chewing things etc.) if the other puppy starts doing it. Another possible complication you MIGHT have (I'm not trying to scare you here, but am simply saying it is possible) problems with one puppy's allergies. Then you need to either get 2 different brands or try and get food that goes for both. Also, after you get through puppy stage you will reach teenage stage. That's where all the real fun will begin. Everything you have managed to teach them over the first couple of years will suddenly leave their heads. It will be like having two teenage kids at home:ihih:
    Are the puppies same sex btw? Just because you will need to make sure to keep them apart as soon as the bitch has her first heat if you have a male and a female.
    Of course it can be done, but a lot of people have cute fantasies about cute puppies growing up and then are hit with hard reality... I personally think the second dog should come after the first one reaches one year mark. I prefer dedicating all attention to one puppy at a time instead of splitting my time. I know very few people who train two dogs at the same time so to train 2 puppies you need to have really a lot of spare time...
     
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  15. Malmum

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    Absolutely agree that it can work and when it does it works well. Two of my Mal pups went to the same home and five years on have never been any trouble, devoted to each other and their 'mum' and 'dad' :) They were brother and sister but Amber was spayed with me while here (7 months) and Kane before she went to join him - no yukky business at all although I'm pretty sure Mals aren't a humping type of dog anyway, lol. :)

    Admitted mine went three months apart but you'd think them being Mals they'd have had some ups and downs but none at all, they were an experienced couple with the breed though.
    I think the training separately is the biggest hurdle, that and initial lead manners and as there are two of you - one each - I think it could work well. :)

    Not all siblings are a nightmare with each other but when they are they can be a real handful.
     
  16. cinnamontoast

    cinnamontoast Sois pas chiant, chéri.

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    Not saying the OP should do it! It is not for everyone, but we've already decided we'll do it again. I had the time but second time round it was damned hard work, I can't forget that.

    With toilet training, the older dog was helpful but the pups pretty much took it upon themselves to do it. They definitely learned from one another, good as well as bad :rolleyes:
     
  17. Westy

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    Definitely not a good idea.
    In fact I would question that you have found a reputable breeder if they are willing to let you have two.
    It might be time to run in the other direction. :eek:
     
  18. Sled dog hotel

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    usually it isn't recommended because having two, they can become a tightly knit canine unit, if that happens it can sometimes mean that it is harder to get them to focus and bond with the owners and it can be harder to train them.

    other downsides that can possibly happen if you get two same sexes is that come adolescence and sexual maturity they can start to really compete and even fight. Males can start to compete over things and start to fight, and if they are as bad as each other and neither will give in you can have problems.
    Two females come a season especially can become antsy with each other, and have been known to fight too. Even ones that live together the rest of the time OK. Again get two and neither will give in it can cause big problems.

    obviously if you get a female and a male from the same litter even then they are going to mature at around the same time too, so you would need to be careful once the female is in season, and likely separate for the duration which will be about 3/4 weeks, and closely supervise when you are in.

    having said this and all the things that can possibly happen and go wrong, I have know people do it and successfully. Pups though have had complimenting personalities and also they have put in a lot of work as regards to ensuring they have carried out separate training and walking, to ensure that the pups are trained and learn to focus and bond with them too.
     
  19. Riff Raff

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    Whilst there are always examples of people who have successfully raised siblings, I have met far more examples of where it has been a very bad idea. We see numerous siblings being raised together through training classes and private consults, and many families will ultimately end up rehoming one of the pair. Even the ones that are able to stay together often are a lot more work to raise well than the owners bargained on. To do a really good job is three times the work of raising a single pup. The pups should be walked, socialised and trained separately, as well as together. If you want to avoid them becoming over bonded they need to learn to be independent of each other and used to being separated early on. At best, siblings generally under-perform in group training compared to the other dogs (even when put in different classes), and are less attentive to their handler.

    I love to have a multi dog household, I have three dogs of my own and usually a foster dog as well. I would never personally take on two pups at once, and I waited until my youngest dog reached 18 months before I resumed fostering again because one untrained dog in the house at once is enough!
     
  20. BenBoy

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    Someone I know has two brothers and she has been at the vet 6 times with various injuries from fighting.

    I guess you need to consider the reasons you have decided to get two and if those reasons outweigh all the hard work and inconvenience of training/walking separately. The first year -18 months with one will fly by then you would have the pleasure of seeing your existing dog showing a new puppy the ropes !

    Also if these will be your first dogs you don't realise the work that goes into raising a pup, it happened to me so much so I would only get another puppy when I retire, having no sleep and going to work is not fun and before going to work cleaning up poo and wee over breakfast :(
     
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