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Help needed to confirm my cats breed!

Discussion in 'Cat Breeding' started by Moonraker, Oct 20, 2012.


  1. Moonraker

    Moonraker PetForums Newbie

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    Hi,

    I am hoping I can call on all your expertise!

    A couple of years ago, I adopted a gorgeous 3 year old female cat from a UK rescue cattery but to this day I am still not sure of her breed!

    At first I thought she might be a Tonkinese. Now I am wondering if she is something similar to a Balinese, Siamese, Burmese or Birman but not sure if she is one of those, a mix of those or something else?

    I have attached two pics of her (Phoebe).

    Any help would be great! :)
     

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  2. spid

    spid PetForums VIP

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    She is lovely - but you will never be sure of her breed as you can't just tell a cat's breed from it's colouring. It is possible to get this colouring in moggies too and without pedigree papers - i.e. proof of who the parent are - you just can't tell.

    So she is a seal tortie (I think the photos aren't that clear) colour point domestic shorthair.
     
  3. lymorelynn

    lymorelynn UN Peacekeeper in training
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    Going along with Spid on this one :)
    A lovely cat but the markings alone aren't enough to tell what breed she is.
     
  4. Moonraker

    Moonraker PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks Spid and lymorelynn! :)

    I am new to this forum and any cat forum for that!

    I did a quick search on internet for what Spid mentioned "a Seal tortie point shorthair" and Saw this article The Colorpoint Shorthairs

    Just past half way down was a picture quite similar to my Phoebe!

    Ss I guess she must be that then. She certainly has the characteristics of a colourpoint shorthair in that she loves company, is quite vocal, but very nervous and jumps at everything!!

    Thanks ever so much for your help :thumbup:
     
  5. Bottroll

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    You might be right about a tonk but could be so many possibles and so hard to know for sure with out the breeder telling you for sure, which in this case can't happen. It has Siamese in there but what it is crossed with is anyone guess :(
     
  6. spotty cats

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    Colour point shorthair seems to the US term for Siamese outside of the traditional colours. To my knowledge countries other than the US have Siamese in many colours and they're all under the Siamese breed, not Colourpoint.
     
  7. OrientalSlave

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    And those are (I think) 'apple head' Siamese on that website.

    All it takes is for one entire Siamese lad to go out and make hay with the local unneutered females and pointed cats will keep popping up in their descendants. It could be a stud that escaped, or a kitten that matured very early, or people who simply didn't bother to get him neutered, but his mark will keep appearing.
     
  8. spid

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    That site is American - and it's incredibly unlikely your cat is from the US!

    I do find it weird that people don't accept their cat for what it is and NEED to find a breed for it. SHe has no known parentage so you can't call her a breed. It's like saying you don't know where you were born but just choosing a country and calling yourself a native of that - you could very well be wrong.

    If you want call her a traditional siamese TYPE - but you can't call her a siamese because you don't know if she is or isn't, you have no proof and that what breeds are all based on; proof.
     
  9. lizward

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    She's certainly not Burmese since she has blue eyes and has Siamese points (cscs not cbcs or cbcb). It is possible she is a traditional Siamese, or a very interesting cross - as someone said, you only need one entire pedigree male around for his genes to go quite a long way round a small area. But you will never know for sure. If you want to think of her as a traditional Siamese, by all means do. I once had two 1/4 pedigrees that were colourpoint. Grandma was a Burmese, she accidentally mated with some colourpoint longhair and produced a daughter with Tonkinese points, daughter then apparently mated with her own father and produced colourpointed kittens. I never did find out who the father was but the kittens were very special!

    Liz
     
  10. sharonbee

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    She's beautiful whatever she is, I did think she was a traditional/applehead siamese but as others have said without paperwork you can never be sure.

    She's a beauty isn't she? I love her tortie point colouring.
     
  11. Moonraker

    Moonraker PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks everyone for your comments :)

    I do love Phoebe to bits. She is such a character and just loves companionship.
    I just thought I might be able to confirm her breed to help understand her history a little, but I guess its quite difficult without being given the information of her parents!

    Ah well. It wont stop me loving her quirkiness and enjoying the love she brings to the home :)
     
  12. catlove844

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    She is just a lovely baby! Doesnt matter what she is, she is gorgeous! :001_tt1:
     
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