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Discussion in 'Cat Chat' started by chazey7, Oct 1, 2013.


  1. chazey7

    chazey7 PetForums Junior

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    Hello all.
    Sitting here with a lot on my mind.

    Phebe my domestic cat took unwell 5 days a go stopped eating drinking and sleepy quite a lot and had a limp
    The vet gave her antibiotics and another injection to bring her tempeture down as she was running a temp of 107f.
    After 2 days she was still not well and being her self and took her back and vet was puzzled. Yesterday took her back and they done a blood test it's heart breaking news walking down the street and the vet said she has got fiv kidney damage and liver damage the readings are very high on the tests for damage.
    She is still not well and not her self, how the vet tells me that truffle shuffle could of the infection too which she's normal self.

    Tomorrow morning phebe has to have another blood test to go further into details when I asked if there was anything they could do they said no.
    I have never had a cat she's only 20 weeks old.

    Has any body else came across this.
    I was asking questions but she was avoiding my questions and she said we will see to morrow. It's so hurtful to here news like this.

    I just need advice if any.

    She is insured too so don't know why they ask that as money isn't an object.
    Now I am worried that I will have 2 cats infected as truffle has to go and have her blood test to morrow.
    To morrow it's sounds like I have to make a dession with the vet and the nurse I don't know what to do.

    Nick
     
  2. ElusiveButterfly

    ElusiveButterfly PetForums Junior

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    I can't offer any advice as I'm new to this too but I am sending you a big {hug} and lots of prayers xx
     
  3. catcoonz

    catcoonz PetForums VIP

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    So sorry, i know how heartbreaking this is for you.

    There will be many more experienced members here who can help you, sadly i am not one of them, but i will say get as much info here as you can before you make any decisions.

    Hugs to you at this sad time. xx
     
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    I am not knowledgeable about this but just wanted to say how sorry I am and don't rush into any decisions.
     
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    I feel very sad for you and I wish I could say something to help, but me and my furry family send you hugs x
     
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    Hi Nick, first of all, I am so sorry you got bad news about Phebe today, fingers crossed Truffle Shuffle is in the clear.

    The vets have to ask the question about insurance. Money, and other considerations, sometimes are an object to people. When Rowan was ill they said they would refer him to a specialist - I asked if it was one I had heard was the best. The vet said no, it was the nearest, but he would prefer to refer to the one I mentioned as it was better - then asked if I minded travelling that far.

    Now I was able to travel that far, so obviously I said yes, but if I couldnt travel that far, I would have had to say no.

    I will be thinking of you tomorrow, I havent had to make that decision myself, but I thought I would have to earlier this year - and it is heartbreaking, I wish I had something to say to help you :(
     
  7. moggie14

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    I'm so sorry to read this Nick :sad: I don't have any experience of FIV myself but this article is very informative:
    FIV - Feline Immunodeficiency Virus: Testing, Care and Adoption of FIV positive Cats
    So it isn't necessarily a death sentence however your kitten is young and perhaps the damage that has been done to her kidneys is too much.
    Make sure you ask loads of questions and don't be brushed off by the vet!
    Good luck and please let us know how you get on.
    Em
     
  8. chazey7

    chazey7 PetForums Junior

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    Hello all thank you for your replays. Truffle shuffle my persian kitten will be having her blood test to day which the vets will send off. There are too tests for it which one costs £80 and another £60 truffle is insured.
    I just hope that she does not have it.
    I will know more about phebe to day at 2pm. Then truffles will be to morrow as its takes 24 hours for them to come back.

    Will let you know shortly.

    Nick
     
  9. catcoonz

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    Paws crossed here for you.
     
  10. Ianthi

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    Where is Phebe now, at the vets? What medications now? It's a pity they didn't do the blood tests on her first visit as I believe you may have had a more accurate picture. Which antibiotic did the give on first visit?

    On the basis of the information here -While the high temperature (and this is very high indeed) points to an overwhelming infection, I'm also wondering about toxin ingestion given the high liver and kidney readings. In addition, high renal readings can point to infection which cats can recover from with a long course of antibiotics. Any increased drinking or urination before he fell ill? Is she allowed outdoor access? Incidentally the routine snap FIV test at the vets can be quite unreliable and needs confirmation at an outside lab before it can be definitively diagnosed.

    Currently it sounds as if the vets aren't sure-hence the lack of answers. I'd request them to consult with a specialist as the earlier you know what's wrong the better. I certainly wouldn't give up without trying a few different antibiotics.
     
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    Will be thinking of you and sending Healing and positive vibes for your Lovely cats xx
     
  12. chazey7

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    After I posted the last message, we went over to the vets but the vet was in theatre, she phoned not long ago, now the vets aid over the phone that she does not want truffle shuffle to have a blood test as yet until the vet knows modest 2pm to day.

    Certainly I am it pleased saying blood test on truffle and then no leave it until they know what phebe results are as they need to be more in contact with the lab.
    Truffle is at my mums as we was told to separate them until they know more.
    Phebe is at home now and not at the vets as I would of thought she would be doing more tests.
    The vet wanted to know where we had phebe from as she was from a rescue centre as had her at 8-9 weeks old.

    I am awaiting for the phone call to go to the vets to discuss it with her.

    Currently I do not know what antibiotics then went back to see another vet who said it was just a virus what cats get nothing to worry about but he ordered the blood tests. The man vet isn't there until tomorrow.
    Hopefully we will know more then we go and have a discussion and I really dont like speaking over the phone I would rather have a face too face chat.

    To day phebe is eating well and having her mad half an hour, she's weing as used to be.
     
  13. chazey7

    chazey7 PetForums Junior

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    She's a indoor cat, only let her out on her harness to have a wonder that's only for 10 mins a day she gets scared any longer than that.
     
  14. Jiskefet

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    Prudent to wait for the bloods on Phebe as the snap test may be false positive. So Phebe may turn out not to e fiv positive at all
     
  15. chazey7

    chazey7 PetForums Junior

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    Still awaiting
     
  16. ewelsh

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    This waiting must be just awful for you, I had this panic with my kitten then the added panic that she could have given my older cat FIV also...

    Both were tested after I insisted they BOTH were, I had a good result, I pray with all my heart you will too and little Phoebe will be on the mend really soon.

    Don't forget, you didn't cause this! You got your kitten to the vets and relied on their expertise... many would not have taken a kitten in to the vets...


    I will watch out for your post. x
     
  17. cookiemom

    cookiemom PetForums Senior

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    The 20 week old being tested on snap may well be false positive, it may be showing antibodies that she picked up from her mother when she was nursing. The test only tests for antibodies and not for the presence of the actual virus, due to this nursing effect there are different timescale recommendations for testing kittens, Glasgow Uni say they don't clear these maternal antibodies before 4 months, American vets say 6 months, in any case a positive result should be retested in a couple of months time. If it is actual viral exposure there is 60 - 90 day timelapse before a cats own antibodies show and even with this many cats clear the virus and have no FIV related illness during their lifetime.

    There are also many false results simply because the test can be faulty, you can get a PCR test which tests for the actual virus, there are limited labs that do this, Langfords do the test in the UK. Your vet would need to send blood to them for testing.

    Even if the cat is positive, there are rare cases where a positive mother may transfer the actual virus when she cuts the umbilical cord, the chances of it being passed on to your other kitten are very slim unless they have serious fights with deep bite wounds.

    I am not sure if your vet has suggested seperation due to the kidney and liver issues being contagious but if it is just on the basis of being tested positive please check out current FIV info, even when cats do inflict a deep bite wound the virus is not that easily transmitted and many many people have positive and negatives living together for years with no transmission. If the cat is positive it is recommended to extend normal prescribing times for abx and of course to ensure optimum diet and low stress.

    There is plenty of uptodate info about and direct support groups for FIV if that does prove to be an issue, in the meantime I hope your cat has a speedy recovery, if you are doubtful about your vets commitment to getting her back to full health please consider a second opinion from a vet experienced and proactive with FIV.
     
    #17 cookiemom, Oct 2, 2013
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    Brilliant reply cookiemon

    Thank goodness we have such knowledgable members on cat chat
     
  19. chazey7

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    Hello all & thank you for your messages.
    We have spoken to the vet as yet she cannot rule out fiv but she has came up with these conditions pyelonephritis and giardiasis.
    We have got appoint to see the vet at 5.20pm to night to have urine sample and stool sample, she also needs an altra sound on Friday.
    The vet will retest for fiv in 6 weeks time.

    Will keep you informed, will need to keep the cats seperated
     
  20. Ianthi

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    Pyelonephritis is another term for kidney infection-very treatable with a very long course (4-6) weeks of ABs. I forgot to ask earlier if kidneys were enlarged as this can be a pointer. So what about the liver readings.....medications maybe?

    Good luck with your appointment. Let us know how it goes!
     
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