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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by sallyanne, Feb 20, 2008.


  1. sallyanne

    sallyanne Guest

    To add people to puppy waiting lists I have in the last 12 months I've refused 3 people.

    The first was a young lad and when asked why he wante an SBT he said to make it nasty and aggressive,needless to say he got an ear bashing and a big NO.

    The second was a couple,I don't know what it was but my gut instinct was saying no,so I went with it,a few months later I was proved right because they had an offlead JR who they were chasing around to get back onlead,eventually catching it and slapping it.

    The 3rd were also a couple who were offended why I was asking so many questions they wanted a puppy,not the 3rd degree,another one I was right about,I saw him earlier with a young dog,who was totally out of control and been yanked about on the lead,it stopped for a poop right outside the shop and he never cleaned it up neither.

    God I could slap these stupid people!!!
     
  2. Magik

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    more breeders need to be like this!!!
     
  3. garryd

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    Not being funny sallyanne but the first ones an obvious one;)
     
  4. lou3

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    several times, I am very picky about who I sell puppies to, heck I do home inspections when I sell GERBILS let alone dogs.
    These things get an automatic "cant have" from me

    "no fenced in garden" (my breed is large and energetic not suitable for a flat)
    "not intending to take the dog to socialisation or training classes" (unless other suitable method of socialisation is provided)
    "not intending to vaccinate"
    "having obviously not done their homework on the breed"
    "refusing to agree to a spey/neuter clause for a pet quality dog" (obviously this doesnt apply to dogs intended for the show ring)
    "owning an electric collar"
    "being under 21" Unless they have a parent experienced in keeping dogs or LOTS of references. (have to say I apply this more strictly to boys than girls - its a responsibility issue)

    There are many more reasons why I will refuse to add someone to a waiting list but they are less specific.
     
  5. sallyanne

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    Yes they do,money should be unimportant.

    Yes it is,but some breeders would sell or not bother asking,recipe for disaster!

    Good list,mine are very similar.
     
  6. claire

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    all breeders should do this, cassie is from a bad breeder id go as far as saying byb but we fell in love with her and have had problem because of her start in life but she is getting better:)
     
  7. maria.

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    Well done to those who have refused and gone with their gut instincts If only more breeders were like yourselves, good responsible breeders shows how much you care:D keep up the gd work. how can you part with them tho if i had a litter id want to keep em all id have a house full lol:p
     
  8. englishrose943

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    I cry everytime my litters go to their new homes i really do get attached. I have refused people for puppies and stud to. Like you say its gut instinct to.
     
  9. nici

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    i have refused once, as the bloke just kept saying its was 4 his daughter and not him and wife, and the wife didnt even no about the dog and she was the one that would have had to be careing for the dog so with a bad feeling about the hole vetting prosses i said he was not worthy and kept the dog myself :)
     
  10. carol

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    yep i vet my pups homes and poeple to be and have turned down quiet a few over the years.

    one lady got the right hump with me, i asked her if anyone is at home or worked part time to be able to look after the pup, no she said so i asked her what does she think the pup with do while the kids are at school and your at work, were leave him out side she said, im not selling you a pup then she turned nasty, im not going to be cruel to it she recon.
    i just put the phone down.
     
  11. sskmick

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    I'm a bit late posting on this thread but I was just looking through the various threads.

    I take great care of my dog, and can hand on heart comply with all but one of your questions; neuter I have only ever owned three dogs two JRT mid 70s both entire males and now an entire male STB. I have no intentions of breeding him. He has entered one show in two categories but that was never my intention. It was a regional event. He hasn't been in the show ring since. If those are your requirements then so be it no doubt other Breeders will also have the same requirements, although I don't understand why.

    I did enquire at the vets about neutering him as the trainers were implying the reason he doesn't respond to recall could be that he is bitching. The vet wasn't of the same opinion and suggested an injection to see if neutering was something we wanted to do for him. The only health benefit was to prevent prostrate cancer.

    He doesn't hump everything he sees, he is not aggressive on the other hand he is not submissive. The vet said he is defending himself which is natural behaviour.

    The vet told us neutering will cause him to put on weight and become girly, didn't understand the girly bit but it was enough for my husband not to even agree to the injection.

    Now a female dog would be different (how sexist is that!) and because of that I wouldn't choose a bitch. Back in the 60s it totally changed my parents dog to put it in a nutshell she went berserk, the vet said if it was the operation these tablets would work and they did, I can only assume now they were hormone tablets. After her my parents had two males they lost their first male in 1986 and second in 2001 both were entire, neither sired and neither died of prostrate cancer.

    am I really an unsuitable dog owner?

    Sue
     
  12. sallyanne

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    I like my puppies to be neutered if they are not going into the show ring and are pets.There are health benefits,but there's also the rescue side of things.

    I will at some point after I've bred from my bitch be having her spayed,I don't like taking chances with bitches as they are at risk of pyometra which can be fatal.

    Unfortunatly Sue not all dog owners are as responsible as you are.My two are entire an it's a bit of a headache when my bitch is in season,as she is now,because you have to be on your guard all the time and make sure they are seperated and doors are shut etc........
    Breeders can't force owners to neuter but alot prefer them to be done.
     
  13. fluffybunny2001

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    I also don`t agree with the nueter thing,i have no intention of nuetering my boy,he can`t be entered in shows or used at stud,but i`ve seen the bad side effects of nuetering.Unless he started show real aggression problems.
    Also having worked at a show kennels ans ex breeder with over 20 bitches,in 9 years we never had 1 case of pyometra.I know it can happen but it`s not as common as vets make out.
     
  14. sallyanne

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    I know of two cases of Pyo whose owners attended our ringcraft club,both nearly lost bitches.I also know an owner whose bitch died from pyo at the vets.

    Perhaps it's not that common but not a risk some owners/breeders are willing to take.
     
  15. Katherna

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    All my animals are neutered, all my parents animals either are or were neutered. I've never come across a male becoming 'girly' or any of the animals both male and female putting on weight afterwards. We had a dog that was a rescue dog (found sleeping in the snow), took it to the vets and she had had distemper, we only found that out because she was having an emergency spaying as she had pyometra. It was something to do with things that were happening whilst she was under the anasthetic.
    I know if they leave a small amount of the ovaries or womb in it can cause problems, but other than that I've never met anyone who's had problems with having a bitch spayed.
    Theres too many unwanted dogs and puppies in the country without people getting a breed pup and then breeding willy nilly from it hoping to make a quick buck (even though it costs a fortune if you are doing it properly) using untested dogs and then allowing any old tom dick or harry to have a pup as a status symbol. I think the breeders are within their rights to ask that the pups be neutered for pet dogs.
     
  16. sskmick

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    Thank you all for your comments, I do wish I had joined this forum a long time ago. The information, help and advice I have received by reading posts and asking questions has really helped me to understand a lot more about my dog and dogs in general.

    As Duke is almost 3 years I wont be having him neutered unless I have cause, although I would have any dog I own in the future neutered.

    He is a brilliant little chap, I know every owner has the best dog. They all have their little ways which is lovable and we did think about letting him breed so we could have one of his pups but decided against it, simply because what would happen to the rest of the litter. Even finding homes is no guarantee they have a home for life and I couldn't realistically take the responsibility for unwanted puppies.

    He doesn't have access to any bitches. He is kept on a leash unless the area is clear from people, dogs and farm animals. Recall works better with no distractions.

    Sue
     
  17. sskmick

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    I know exactly where you are coming from and I agree breeders have every right to ask and expect prospective owners to comply with their requirements.

    I could be worth a bob or two if I took a 1p off every person who has approached me in the Street to mate my dog. I have had men coming out of their gardens to approach me, one guy missed his bus.

    At first it was quite flattering, as I think he's a handsome dog but after a while I really started to worry as to whether someone would try to pinch him.

    I ended up telling people he's a cross Staff they would be better with a full Staff, they'd get more money for the pups. That appears to have worked, we haven't been approached for a while.

    I didn't choose to or not to neuter Duke it wasn't a requirement. I had never had a dog of mine neutered. Under the advice of the trainer I did enquire at the vets and with the amount of conflicting advice we decided against it. It appeared to us at the time we would have been allowing our dog to have an unnecessary operation.

    Knowing what I know now neutering wouldn't be an issue it would be a requirement in the interest of the dog. Plus I wouldn't be pestered by Tom Dick or Harry.

    Sue
     
  18. sallyanne

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    We also get alot of enquires about Tyler,
    I had one from neighbours opposite,who wanted her unreg,untested bitch to have pups,we said no and explained why.

    I have quite a few by email an usually reply like this,
    Our dog Tyler is available at stud to approved bitches.
    You are probably aware of the rescue crisis regarding staffordshire bull terriers and before our dog is used at stud we need to be sure that any puppies he produces will not go through any rescue.As owners of a stud dog we are just as responsible for any pups produced as yourself, the bitch owner.
    We require that any puppies produced by our dog are sold no earlier than 8 weeks of age,they will be KC Registered (endorsed) and given a 5 generation pedigree and sold with a puppy sales agreement stating in that,that if the owner can no longer keep the dog,that regardless of it's age you will as the Breeder always take the dog back,or if that is not possible to contact us for help with rehoming.
    The requirements for visiting bitches are,they will be over 18 months of age,not produced a litter within the last 12 months,they are KC Registered and tested clear for L2/HC,PHPV & PPSC Unaffected.
    Our Stud fee is £xxx at the time of the mating,2 matings will be given 48 hrs apart if required and if your bitch misses a free mating will be given the next time.
     
  19. lou3

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    If the dog is pet quality and only going to be a pet where is the problem with a breeder requiring the dog to be neutered? The last thing I want as a breeder is someone taking a dog I have bred that I do not consider breeding quality and breeding it in ignorance or for money (probably to a sub standard dog) this then runs a high risk of poor quality dogs existing with my kennel name very prominent in their pedigree and these dogs being used to judge my kennel by. Its simply not a risk I am prepared to take which is why I only allow people who are very active within the breed and actively partake in both showing and field trials and are knowledgeable about dogs and breeding in general - or who intend to get that way - to keep a dog I have bred entire.

    Also there are MANY more health benefits than simply preventing prostate cancer,

    preventing testicular cancer
    preventing stress related disorders due to being constantly excited by the neighbour's bitch on heat
    reducing incidence of DOD
    reducing likelihood of urinary infection
    increasing longevity

    and those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head, there are dozens more. The list is even longer for speying bitches.

    the tablets the vet gace the speyed female were probably tranquilisers. A bitch's sex hormones only affect her for a small portion of her life, for four months at a time she is in a state of reproductive suspension and the ovaries have no effect on her at all.
    The other possibility is that the operation was performed incorrectly and a small portion of ovary was left behind which then went into overdrive and the poor thing thought she was in heat all the time.
     
  20. fluffybunny2001

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    Not all dog owners are irresponsible though.I do realise there are many that are,
    my dog is not show quality or viable at stud,and i would never use him at stud.But i still wouldn`t have him nuetered.unless he became agressive
    I can understand more with females,there are alot more health problems.At the end of the day,you have no control over waht people do when they get the dog home,even if they agree to it,they may never do it
     
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