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Have my chinchillas been fighting?

Discussion in 'Chinchillas' started by TabulaRasa, Mar 25, 2018.


  1. Arny

    Arny PetForums Member

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    That's the one. I believe the sc stands for 'super concentrate'. It has directions on what dilutions to use for what for example you won't dilute it as much for killing fungus as you would just for standard cleaning.

    Can't believe you're still having to go through this, what a nightmare.
     
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    TabulaRasa PetForums Member

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    Thanks Arny, I've just ordered it, going to drench everything in it!

    There's no doubt unfortunately that both have got it again, Skye's scratching and developed yet another spot like bump on her ear (since this afternoon too as I've been watching her like a hawk) and Astrid's ears have suddenly got the same flaky appearance. She's also developed that tell-tale slight pink sparseness around her nose. Both have been dosed immediately, I'm praying it'll halt it in it's tracks this time. The speed this appears and spreads is almost frightening :(.
     
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    How are you and your girls TabulaRasa? Sorry it's taken a couple of days to post, but it's been hectic here, chins, heat etc.
     
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    TabulaRasa PetForums Member

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    It's ok, I've not been on here as I've been busy myself, I've taken the week off so that I can paint the house out. I'm exhausted and boiling in the heat but at least I'm home to keep an eye on the chins. They are both looking much better again already, their ears have lost a lot of the flakiness, the spots are drying out and their noses haven't gone any worse. Skye was developing a bare red scabby patch on her front paw too but that's already looking better. The disinfectant hasn't shown up though so I haven't been able to clean anything yet,but at least the Fungitrax stuff is doing it's job. When I see the vet later this week I'm going to ask if they can stay on it this time until there isn't a trace left on either (provided it's safe enough to do that) as I'm convinced it hadn't totally gone before.
     
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    Tiggers PetForums Member

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    The heat has been a major issue this weekend especially. Are you in the North or the South of the country? I feel about all in. I'm not sleeping and feel totally drained. Chins are coping extremely well, in fact better than I am.
     
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    TabulaRasa PetForums Member

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    I am going back to the vet tomorrow, I'm not happy with how the chins are looking. The bottom of their feet look like they have athlete's foot, all big skin flakes and white bits just like their ears but worse. I never thought to look under their feet until tonight and now I'm kicking myself for not doing so. Skye's nails were looking fungus-y and I thought I'd better check her feet in case it's spread to the rest of them, but I'm now thinking it's the other way around, their feet are infected and they keep reinfecting their noses, whiskers and ears by scratching or grooming. Going to get to the vet as soon as I can.
     
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    Tiggers PetForums Member

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    Poor chins, and poor you. This affliction is from Hell and I can imagine the stress and worry you are passing through. If there is anything at all I can do to help, please let me know. Sending hugs xxx
     
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    TabulaRasa PetForums Member

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    Thanks Tiggers, I can't believe this has been going on since the start of April!! I have an appt at 4.30 this afternoon with my vet, see if she has any ideas about their poor little paws. I daren't put Surolan on their feet, they'll have it and might ingest the fungus trying to clean it off. I am wondering about standing them on a bit of the athlete's foot powder though.

    The F10 has arrived, it says ready to use so I'm just spraying everything like crazy. Think I've gone a bit mad with it as there's only half the bottle left already and I've not done the cage and fleeced yet! Will update when I get back later on☺.
     
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    TabulaRasa PetForums Member

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    Back from vets who's by now as puzzled as I am! She said for it to keep coming back like this something must be reinfecting them but neither of us can work out what.

    The food is a new bag, the bag itself is kept in the pantry nowhere near the chins.
    The hay is a brand new just opened bag of Oxbow so it's not cheap stuff that hasn't been cleaned or whatever. It's also the fourth bag of hay and second bag of food since this started so it can't be a single bad batch.
    They're kept on fleece and towels which is washed regularly, so no infected shavings/chippings or anything
    The bath dust is a new box, one of four which came from two different suppliers, in two different shops
    The shed is brand new fresh clean dry wood, treated, sealed and spotless, the floor has been waterproofed to stop it absorbing anything
    There's nothing in the cage that can harbour anything and the cage itself is all metal
    Everything that can be cleaned has been washed and sprayed, anything that can't be has been thrown
    They have no toys or chews at the moment that can hold anything, only disposable bits of cardboard
    The weather is dry, they are neither too hot nor too cold and they are never in a position to get wet or damp fur

    There is literally nothing that can be a source for this, seriously their shed is like Old Mother Hubbard's cupboard at the moment, yet SOMETHING keeps constantly reinfecting them. I would have noticed if their feet had been bad for long, I've been examining them constantly from head to tail, which means their paws have gone like that while they've been on the anti-fungal treatment. I am seriously considering going to the doctor to get myself tested for ringworm because I am the only thing left I can think of that is around them all the time!!

    In the meantime they're to stay on the meds while my vet gets in touch with the small animal specialist again, to see if they have any other ideas, as the Fungitrax is clearly not strong enough to deal with it fully. And for some reason, the chin's own immune systems aren't either or they'd have shaken it off by now. That's another thing the vet doesn't understand, why their own immunity either won't or can't kick in, which it really should have done given how long they've been treated for. I've never been so perplexed over something so seemingly simple in my life :(.
     
  10. Arny

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    I really hope you get rid of it soon, how frustrating.

    I've personally only dealt with fungus twice and both times were very quick and easy to rid at home (although have seen many cases on fb groups that too were fairly straight forward once the owners knew what it was).
     
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    Stay strong TabulaRasa. At least your vet is seeking help from another source. Any support or help I can give, please let me know. Sending hugs xxxx
     
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    How are you and your girls?
     
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    I'm still waiting to hear back from my vet, presumably because she's still waiting to hear from the specialist herself so at the moment things have ground to a halt. I'm going to have to call myself tomorrow though whether she's had a reply or not, because I need to know whether she wants to check them again, extend the course of Fungitrax or take them off it. As I'm almost out of Avipro too and I don't know what to do about that either. They've been fine with the meds so I'm not sure if it's worth ordering another pot or trying the Fibreplex (which I still have unopened). The Avipro for some reason causes mould to grow in the water bottle, though I'm guessing it's not supposed to!

    In the meantime though something rather odd has happened. After I sprayed everything in F10 I found to my absolute astonishment that when I checked their feet the next morning they looked noticeably better. By the evening they had improved even more and over the last few days they are vastly and unmistakably better. The crusty bits on their ears has gone, and so has the white bits and hard skin flakes on their feet. Their front paws have nearly nothing left on them. I cannot believe the difference in how they look, they seem to have improved more since I sprayed that F10 stuff than they have on eight weeks of treatments!! On top of that, little Skye has suddenly grown and gained some weight since she's started looking better, which leads me to wonder if this fungus has been somehow depriving her slightly and that's why she couldn't seem to fight it off. She had barely grown since I got her and within this last week she's now almost the same size and weight as Astrid. Will see what my vet says when I can get hold of her tomorrow☺.
     
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    Finally spoken to my vet! She's still waiting for a reply from specialists but for now they're to stay on the Fungitrax for another two weeks which means a third bottle of it, and disinfect with F10 at least twice a week. Cleaned everything top to bottom again, new dust, trying to keep the cage spotless and just ordered a new cage. Not sure what else to do other than request another lab test to make sure it isn't a different type of fungus or something. Out of Avipro so started the Fibreplex tonight, it's a lot harder to dose, I think Sky ate a bit too much (she's supposed to have half a mil and I think she had 2), I'm hoping it won't do her any harm given it's supposed to help her system.
     
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    I do hope that this situation resolves itself quickly for you TabulaRasa. I'm suffering pretty high stress levels at the moment and the moment, and the prospect of yet more incoming heat is freaking me out now. I hate heat so much, and the added worry of getting the chins through it safely. On a more positive note, I'm going to view a baby chin on Wednesday.
     
  16. TabulaRasa

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    I have been told that sunlight kills fungus. Now I know you can't put chins in sunlight for obvious reasons, but it got me wondering about putting them in a sheltered sunny spot for just a minute or two at a time and watching them constantly before putting them back in the shade, just to see if it helps anything. I've also been told to hang a small bunch of holly up high in the shed as it's an old farming treatment for ringworm. There's a holly bush in the garden so I suppose I've nothing to lose by trying it:D.

    The weather is supposed to be getting hotter here again too , I really hope it doesn't cause this fungus to come back with a vengeance if the humidity goes high. Think I'll set the dehumidifier going in their shed, it'll clean the air if nothing else. Lucky you getting to go and view a baby chin! Will it be coming home with you? You must post some photos if it does:)
     
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    No, baby chin won't be coming home with us just yet as he'll only be a month old when we meet him. I've had a long chat with his breeder and both her and the baby sound lovely . I'll post a pic as soon as I have one.
     
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    How are you all TabulaRasa?
     
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    Boiling!! The sun is out in full force again after the more overcast coolness of last week. I did put the chins out on saturday, very carefully and only for a couple of minutes at a time in a shaded spot where there was a breeze, but it did nothing to help. I went back to the vets today to order more Fungitrax and managed to speak to my vet, who is still trying to get hold of the specialist. I tried putting some of the athlete's foot powder on their feet last night but it 's done nothing. Starting a new bottle of meds today and have decided to take them back to vets tomorrow to be re-weighed incase they now need an increased dose and to ask for another lab test to be sure it is still ringworm and not some other type of fungus. Admittedly it doesn't look like the first one, no missing fur, but I never checked their feet first time around either so can't be sure. And as I've paid out around £700-800 so far between everything, another £26 for a lab test won't make much difference!
     
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    Just been checking chins, looks like this nightmare complaint is returning AGAIN:(. Skye has specks on her ear and a bare smooth pink bald patch near her shoulder. Astrid has a tiny dot on her nose and pink skin around her shoulders and both are scratching a lot. I don't think this Fungitrax is working anymore, they've been on it for six weeks and it's not got rid of it. I am seriously considering taking them to the small animal specialist myself because nothing I do, give or try is curing the problem. I can't see my vet until Thursday but she is also at a loss, unable to understand why they can't fight off something when they've had medication for weeks for it. Going to try putting a bit of Surolan on their feet tomorrow morning if I still have some and keeping hold of them until it's absorbed in so they don't eat it. I really and truly don't know what else to try. Has anybody got any suggestions at all on what can be given to treat ringworm in chinchillas other than what has already been tried in this thread? Please, am absolutely desperate for something that works:(.
     
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