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Harvey got attacked.

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by sue&harvey, Jun 3, 2010.


  1. sue&harvey

    sue&harvey PetForums VIP

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    We were on our usual walk last night, Harvey was on his long line. We had see two people walking a lab and a bull bread x dog. both seemed friendly, so I wasn't fussed when we met them at the end of the walk. Both theirs were off lead, and the bull x dog pinned Harvey to the ground... the noise they were making was horrible. Harvey was screaming. I managed to get Harvey out from underneath the dog and pic him up. He was screaming for about a min afterwards, it was horrible.:frown: I had to carry Harvey as the owners were at the bottom of the hill obscured from sight, but they had heard what was going on. In fairness to the guy he was very appologetic and offered to pay any vet bills, but fortunatly Harvey was not hurt. I really couldn't swear it but his dog could have been crossed with a presa canario, which have very stict rules when out in public. As I say I couldn't be sure, and I am not getting at the breed at all. Harvey looked very sorry for himself but ok.

    My friend that I was with kept saying it's because Harvey is on a long line, and he will be picked on. I felt that I was being pressured into letting him off even though his recall is awful, and I worry what would of happened if I wasn't near. I could understand if both or the other dog was online :confused:

    Sorry for the moan just feel a bit cra*py about it all. :frown:
     
  2. Nellybelly

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    I'm glad Harvey wasn't physically injured, and I hope he is psychologically traumatised either!
     
  3. Bearpaw

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    Dont feel bad,you werent to know,and the guy was sorry.
    Im glad Harvey was ok and i hope it doesnt put you or him off your walk.
    The noise is often worse than the fight!.Make sure to walk him that way again very soon,so he doesnt worry about it,and maybe if you see the same dogs,ask the guy to pop his on the lead so they can say a proper hello.
     
  4. Jackie99

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    If my dog is on lead and any strange approaching off lead dogs are approaching him I will leave him off, I'd rather he defend himself. Not getting at you or agreeing with your friend but it is my experience dogs seems to meet and greet better offlead. Difficult if you feel his recall is really bad but in extreme situations.... Anyway it sounds like he was pretty shaken up :( Hope he is okay, maybe try and take him on the same walk but at a different time so that he doesn't get scared of the area etc?
     
  5. sue&harvey

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    We walked the same route tonight, and it was fairly quiet so not sure how he will react to other dogs now. He was with his Lab and 2 westie friends. He seemed a bit quiet, but we will see. I could let him off as we were near a mian road, so it was me, Harvey, or the cars that were going to be in problems, so I decided it would be me. Plus this dog was a very powerful breed and Harvey is quite slight, and an utter whimp. :rolleyes:
     
  6. SpringerHusky

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    Awww poor Harvey :( sadly sometimes soem dogs just don't get on, pleased he's ok though. Poor lad.
     
  7. GSDlover4ever

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    Oh dear poor boy, please makes sure you take him and meet up with friendly dogs ASAP and please try not to comfort him to much.

    My GSD has been atacked a few times by different dogs and it can be horrible, luckily enough i have put a lot of work in to her meeting new dogs, each time it was eventually ruined after another attack. However sheis back to the stage were she will happily play with other dogs and not react.

    good Luck :thumbup:
     
  8. Starlite

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    You were being responsible by having your dog on a long lead, if anyone blamed my girl for starting a fight on her line when it was clearly the off lead dog who started it. . well i think the police would end up involved as i wouldnt hold back :mad:

    Ie said it before, Shorty's recall isnt 100% (its a mal thing) and i like her to have a good run round

    You shouldnt have to restrict what your doing due to such an incident hun, hope the wee mans ok xxx
     
  9. sue&harvey

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    Thanks all, as I say he was a bit quiet today but played with ella his lab girlfriend. I will take him to see his french bulldog friend tomorrow so he can play with her.

    Sadly If the police were called this dog would have been PTS. Anything that even slightly resembles a presa canario should be on a one meter lead at all times. 2000 euro fine and dog out to sleep, no 2nd chances. :frown: The owner did put him back on lead as soon as they could and were really upset that their do had done this. News travels fast here so many owners are now warned to keep an eye out.

    Just hope he's ok if we see a similar dog again. I know I prob shouldn't have pulled him out and comforted him, but I would do the same again I think. He is staying on the long line for now.
     
  10. SEVEN_PETS

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    I'm sorry that this happened. Don't feel pressured into letting him off lead when you are not ready. If he's on a long line, and this happens again, drop the line so that he's not restricted, but don't let him off if you don't feel ready.
     
  11. sue&harvey

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    Thanks seven, I know you had problems with Ollie and recall too. Scary thinking back on it as this dog could have done some serious damage. Luckily it only lasted 1/2 a min. Harvey couldn't have got out that quick on his own as this dog really pinned him well. I managed to get his Harness. The 2 westies I was with started on the other dog too so it really could have escalated.
     
  12. luvmydogs

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    You were the responsible one, I would have gone berserk if an off lead dog attacked my onlead one. However, I don't believe it was a true attack. If something like a Presa meant it, your dog would probably be dead now. Thats not to say it should have been off lead, especially when the owner wasn't even watching it! I'm sure Harvey was scared, but with socialisation with nice dogs, hopefully he will be fine.
     
  13. katiefranke

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    sorry to hear about this! :(

    as some of the others have said, i wouldnt feel pressurised to let him off if you dont want to or its not safe - I do think that dogs can sometimes be a bit 'awkward' in greeting when only one is on lead, but I dont find this is the case with a long line as they have much more freedom, as long as you dont reel them in.

    but was thinking, you mention he is an utter wimp - and it made me think, so is maggie sometimes with unneutured and big male dogs. they dont have to really do anything to her, just rjun up to her or jump on her and pin her almost in play and she squeals and screams like the dog is trying to rip her throat out!!! it only happened a couple of times when she was a bit younger and these dogs were just over-boisterous adoescent dogs, and she seems fine with rough play now with all sorts of dogs, but just a thought it might really not have been too bad - dont be too worried as the other dog clearly didnt mean to harm harvey or you would have seen scratches or wounds.

    sorry if I have got the wrong idea, as I know how scared you must have been for harvey. I was the same with maggie the first time she made this noise as it was such a shock, but she doesnt seem to have any lasting damage psychologically for it...:)
     
  14. Denise Jonty&Dulcie

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    Sue--Sorry about Harvey hope he recovers soon and still enjoys his walks, you were very brave, when Jonty was attacked I was paralized with fear and I still feel guilty cos the trainer had to wade in--there was a lot of blood cos the dog would not let go of Jonty,the dog has been banned from classes and directed to a specialist trainer who deals with agressive dogs. Give Harvey a big hug from me, Jonty and Dulcie sends sniffs and licks.--Mum
     
  15. Mr Kipling

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    Sorry to hear it and I know how you feel, my dog was attacked whilst walking her on lead by a GSD off lead. Thankfully I screamed at the GSD and it let go before any damage was done. I won't be using that walk again though as dogs should be on lead and the owner was abusive denying any responsibility.

    My dog is a rescue and not socialised with other dogs so is always on lead but dogs often approach off lead. I make it absolutely clear that they are not welcome but still the owners let them approcah and then think I'm responsible when my dog barks. In my view if your dog is on lead it cannot be responsible for any actions that ensure if a dog approaches off lead - dogs are on lead for a reason.

    Hope Harvey is OK it's hard to figure the mental trauma, I know in the US stun batons are popular and if legal would consider to stop a dog attacking. A human is no match for a fully grown GSD in full attack mode.
     
  16. sue&harvey

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    Thanks all. I'm sure it was not play pinning, but as many have said it could have been a lot worse. Hopefully he will realise now not all dogs want to play, even though this happen when he was bum sniffing. :eek: Off on the same walk again tonight, so hopefully there will be a few more dogs about so he can socialise a bit. :)
     
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    I can totally sympathise. Similar thing happened to Monty about a month ago. 2 boxers, one got over him and started bashing him around, Monty was screaming. Me and the boxer's owner tried to separate them, but the boxer had his legs around Monty's neck, I had to pull them apart to free Monty. It was really scarey. Monty didn't take any hurt, and I am sure it was just Boxers playing a little rough, but the noises, the boxer sounded like it was growling and Monty screaming...awful! But the owner was good and helped me get Monty free. And he took no lasting hurt.
    Monty has been a little weary of bigger dogs since, especially as the next night he was snapped at in the face by a staffy (again luckily no hurt was taken, both dogs were on leads and we were walking down the path, they sniffed each other and the staffie snappy at Monty's nose). And when a German Shepard entered the park just the other night, Monty backed off a bit and seemed a little frightened, but then the two met (German Shepard calmly walked over, such a lovely dog), and spent a while sniffing each other. And then spent the next 10 mins running around together, knocking each other over, jumping all over the place together with not a growl or whimper to be heard. He loved it! And it was amazing to see. Such a lovely GSD, 6 years old and was great with such an energetic puppy.
    I am sure your little one will get over it, and I found in the end it taught Monty a lesson to be a little more careful and not just charge in (which he sometimes did). Continue to allow him to meet other dogs, but keep an eye on things.
    It can be hard to read dog body language, but we try to keep him away from dogs that appear to either be staring too much and fixated on him (like the staffy was), or if they appear to be highly strung (like the boxer was). And that seems to help.

    Oh and ref long line. Monty uses a long line when in the park, he was on it when he met the GSD, in the end we dropped the line as we all kept getting tangled in it, but it didn't put off the GSD or cause any issues. You need to stick to what is best for you. I have heard about leads causing issues, but in our experience a long line is fine as it allows them to run around unimpeded.
     
  19. Magnus

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    The problem with the "let him off the lead to defend himself" method is that he might flee and then get caught by a chasing dog and you are not nearby to intervene. Stick to what you're happy with.
     
  20. leashedForLife

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    yup! :cool:
    there is no safe thing to be done here, other than separate the dogs as soon as possible;
    if he is free to FLEE the off-leash dog will only chase him off + quite possibly catch him again, and U will be too far-off
    to do anything but watch while running after... which is awful.

    the attacked / assaulted dog can also run into traffic, interfere with a bicyclist on the path, anything can happen;
    long-lines Kept Loose for intros do not *cause* aggressive assaults. tightening the lead can make the on-lead dog feel anxious, or interfere with their body-language...
    so loose leashes during intros, and 10-ft is far better than 6-ft.

    i hope poor Harvey recovers his spirits, and that the other dogs owner acts more responsibly from now on -
    like Keeping his dog ON-lead and Under their eye, not 70-yards off loose!

    glad he is physically OK, check for bruises + warm/hot spots under his coat!
    they can develop hidden by the hair - part the hair to look for punctures.

    all my best,
    --- terry
     
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