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Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Lex, Jun 11, 2010.


  1. Lex

    Lex PetForums Newbie

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    Hi, recently new to this site so I am hoping I can get some useful information.

    Recently bred our bitch and she gave birth to 6 big and healthy boys and a little girl who died just after birth.

    Unfortunately a few hours later she killed 3 of the boys and we had to separate them. Needless to say now we are not risking putting them back together.

    This was 2 days ago now, the 3 we are left with are eating, gaining weight and active.

    Really just looking for some any useful hints or tips.We have the basics about milk, warmth and also stimulating for the toilet but as we have never done this before can never have to much information.

    Also, the bitch herself, she seems distraught about it. We have been just giving her plenty of rest and food. Will it take long for her to get back to semi normal state and forget about the puppies? ill add to this that she fed them and cleaned them well and it was about 2 to 3 hours after birth that this happened. not sure if she was too rough with the puppies and that's what killed them? She is a very loving but over excitable dog.
     
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    I read your thread but am sorry to say I cant give you information, I have never had to hand rear a litter, so cant even give you any advice based on my own experience, I know there are a few members who have done it and can help you further, Tanya1989 is one member who could tell you more, she is in hospital at the moment but still comes on here via her laptop in hospital.
    I have read alot of thread on how to handrear a puppy just in case I had to do it, and I also know that I could tubefeed if I have to, but it would be wrong of me to even tell you how to do it. I hope you get some advice soon, and good luck with the puppies.
     
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    Thanks for the help. I'll have a read through that. Feel completely thrown in the deep end with this but determined to do all we can for them.
     
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    What breed is she? And the pups? out of interest
     
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    do you mean you have seperated the bitch from the puppies??? all the time??
     
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    The mum did kill 3
     
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    Me and my mum hand reared 7 yorkies. The mother had milk fever so we took over at 2 weeks. Every 2 hours we had to feed the seven. Lucky we had our nursemaid lady springerxpointer who done all the toileting. If you need to toilet just dampen some cotton wool with luke warm water,like mummys tongue, and stroke peepee first with boys then bumbums and girls the same but always towards bumbum :thumbup:
     
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    yes i'm well aware of that. was she supervised at all times and what made her kill them? do we know.
     
  10. Tanya1989

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    If she killed them on purpose, ie didn't fall on them it is worth a vet trip for a shot of calcium. Especially as she is acting distraught over it now... It is possible she is building up to full blown eclampsia. I have know them kill an entire litter due to eclampsia, she look distraught, but showed no other signs at all... after a shot of calcium, she began to mourn the puppies and became depressed. It might help her to move on.

    It is very important the the puppies are laid down when you bottle feed them. I'd seriously avoid syringing as it is very easy to flood the lungs, but bottle feeding is ok, as it is something they are doing at their own pace. If it appears that one is beginning to lose weight then it would be an idea to get to the vet immediately and get them to teach you tube feeding, and get on top of the "problem pup" straight away. It is a lot easier to bring back a pup straight away from losing a tiny bit of weight, than it is to think "we'll wait a couple of days" and then try tube feeding. It isn't a scary as every one fels, and doesn't particulary require any skill, but is just about following instructions, which I could tell you online, but I think it would be irresponsible to tell you without showing you, on my part.

    Straight after a feed, stimulate the bladder to urinate with warm damp cotton wool or sensitive baby wipes. I personally prefer cotton wool as even though "perfume free" baby wipes will have a scent to them. Then stimulate the bowels to pass faeces.

    One thing many people forgets is to clean the puppies faces. If you watch mum with a litter of pups she is nearly always licking the pups faces. It is very important you do this too. Very regularly, everytime after a feed and again 3 or 4 times minimum in between. Warm sterile water on cotton wool is fine. Just make sure the cotton wool is well wrung out so water doesn't go up the noses. Mum's tongue is very dry when cleaning the pups.

    TBH I would be advertising for a foster mum needed. Hand reared pups just don't do as well as adults. They need to learn from their mum. They learn socialisation skills and discipline, which humans can just not teach as well as other dogs.

    I'm assuming that they are still very newborn babies??? 2-3 days if I read it correctly? Watch out for constipation. This is a big problem in hand reared pups due to powdered milk. They need feeding every 2 hours minimum. What weight will indicate how much they should have at each feed.
     
  11. mel

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    Tanyas advice is spot on as usual :)

    can i just ask do u know how mum killed the babies was she clumsy or aggressive ? I breed Bulldogs and mum n babies cant be left together due to them being so clumsy so pups are kept separate till feeding they then feed off her 9 times out of 10 they dnt do bums we do that too...if it was just her being clumsy ( you didnt say what breed she is) then maybe keeping pups separate but letting them feed frm mum ? if thats possible thats without doubt the best option if not then follow Tanyas advice..Good Luck i hope all goes well xx
     
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    Tanya - if mum didn't kill them through aggression, could she be reintroduced with 100% supervision?
     
  13. Lex

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    Thanks you very much that's has helped me. Unfortunately there is one who has lost weight and the other two haven't gained today (but had gained about 2/3 oz the previous day) but they are feeding at least 10 - 15 mls every 2 hours, going to the toilet, slightly constipated but persistence is winning over. They are now 3 days old. Have lost their cords also....should be cleaning there belly buttons with anything other than water?


    The Mother is doing better today she is whining a bit still but she is eating and playing and still very loving. She is a Staffy I'm not sure how common this sort of thing is among them. Im not entirely sure what has happened as i wasn't here but I have been told she was being a bit rough with them and the cords had been ripped and she just turned to a frenzied attack. I don't want to risk having them together at all.
     
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    If it wasn't a malicious attack, but just clumsiness, then with careful supervision I would put them back on to mum, but if is wasn't clumsiness then definitely keep them separate, and have mum spayed 3 months after her next season, she definitely shouldn't be bred from again, unfortunately.
     
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    tbo i'd be concerned if they wern't reintroduced to mum...........poor girlie must be beside her self not being able to get with her pups.
     
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    If their cords have dropped off n all seems fine then leave them....so sorry mum killed her babies its such a shame that the ppl who was there was unable to stop her :(..i certainly dnt blame u keeping babies away frm her 10-15 mils sounds fine pups generally lose weight in the first few days n gain at different rates so try not worry too much...if they are still constipated a ml of lactulose will help them dnt be tempted to flush them its not good for them x
     
  17. Lex

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    Thanks so much for all the help, im happy to say they are doing brilliantly. The two biggest ones are stepping up and taking more milk now and the smallest one is now taking around 15ml instead of 5ml, so very happy with the progress they are now 4 days old and around 13 oz, smallest on is only 9oz but that is an improvement for the wee man. Don't seem constipated at all now.

    Mum is doing better also, seeming to settle and she will be going into get spayed, in around 3 months the vet has advised, definitely never wanting this to happen again. to the person who said to reintroduce them, im sorry but it isnt worth the risk, she is fast and managed to kill 3 pups last time before we could stop her, i know this is hard work but i would much rather have a month of sleepless nights than risk having to bury any more :(
     
  18. Lex

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    Another quick question. Now the are getting a bit bigger, the bigger of the boys seems to be suckling on one of others 'bits' and legs. There is a couple of sores and spots appearing. I've been cleaning them well but its a bit concerning.

    Am I going to have to keep them apart? He seems to be doing it an awful lot, he is the monster of the pack.

    Oh an Ill introduce you to one of them just now.

    Wee Bob.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Tanya1989

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    He's just following his instinct, but obviously if its causing problems for the others then in might be best. Bare it in mind that it could be possible he is hungry, which is why he is searching for the nipple constantly. Try increasing his food a little.
     
  20. Lex

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    hi thats the puppies now 9 days old and we are having problems with the biggest one. We thought he is maybe constipated, he was screaming loudly when tryin to poo him but he has done several large ones today. when we found him crying loudly in the cage we even tried the stubby end of a thermometer which got him going a little. Now his tummy isnt as hard and the crying has stopped really but he is breathing very heavily and is refusing his bottle this hour, while the others had their 20ml.

    Ideas?

    This is the most stressfull thing i have ever done but still very determined.

    and i want to thank everyone for their help, very very very helpful.
     
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