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Grumpy Ollie

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by SEVEN_PETS, Jun 7, 2010.


  1. SEVEN_PETS

    SEVEN_PETS PetForums VIP

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    Hey

    Ollie is now 2 years old and has always been great with other dogs. At the moment, there is a young cockapoo (about 6 months old) who seems to have no doggy manners. He jumps up at dogs, especially their faces and he jumps up at people too. Now whenever this dog jumps up at me, Ollie really growls and snaps at this puppy. Of course, the puppy thinks its a game and then runs around, jumping on Ollie and Ollie gets more and more growly and snappy. In the end, we just separate them and go our separate ways. Ollie's quite protective of me so when a dog jumps up at me, he has a go at the dog. The cockapoo and Ollie play together nicely until the puppy starts jumping in Ollie's face and jumping on Ollie's back. Then Ollie starts the growling and snapping again. Ollie is great with adult dogs, but puppies he can be a bit temperamental with. There is a particular springer pup at the park that he meets regularly who is about 6 months old but he has great doggy manners. Ollie and the springer play beautifully together and Ollie rolls around with it and plays really gently with it. Also, another thing I notice is it is completely silent play. There is no sound at all from them.

    Is it typical for adult dogs to get grumpy with pups? I remember adult dogs being grumpy with Ollie when he was a pup and it taught Ollie how to behave around other dogs. As a pup, Ollie would jump at dog's faces and the other dog would quite rightly growl and snap at Ollie. Now Ollie doesn't jump up at dogs at all.

    Should I let him continue to tell other pups off? Should I avoid this particular cockapoo pup as obviously Ollie is not happy with its behaviour?
     
  2. GoldenShadow

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    I'm not too sure on what to advise but Roo is a big softie and not really bothered by pups. My godmum's lab x springer met Roo when he was about 6 months old and he is now about 8-9 months (Roo is almost 2).

    Brodie spends all his time trying to hump Rupert and climbing on his back and Rupert just stands there smiling :laugh: He has never growled at Brodie in a serious way. If Roo is carrying a tug toy and Brodie goes to snatch it and they have a short game of tug and he will play growl. If Brodie really gets too much Rupert just lies down, they have a few play growly squabbles over the dolphin toy but its complete play as both their tails wag like crazy.

    Is Ollie definitely not happy with this pup and warning it to back off? Its odd that the pup isn't listening to Ollie when he growls, Roo sometimes didn't the first time but when he got properly growled at or snapped at he would back right off for a few mins and Rupert was quite pushy and exuberant.

    Roo is quite a playful dog so perhaps because of that he is more tolerant. He really will play all day long and doesn't usually fancy just going to lie down for a while if there is anything else he can do but at the same time he is quite laid back. My godmum's springer (same one who owns the springer x lab) constantly tells Rupert and Brodie off sometimes when they are just playing with each other she'll just go and tell them off but I think that's just in her nature as she wants to be involved in some way but not to actually play?

    Maybe some dogs are just a bit more tolerant than others, Chloe isn't tolerant at all but Roo is. If Roo was like this with a pup I'd be inclined to try and keep him away from it as its not your or Ollie's job to teach this pup manners and if it really wouldn't back off and got a nip the owner might accuse Ollie of being a nasty dog when in reality the pup just wasn't listening. Roo has had a few nips on the nose where blood has been drawn but its just because he wasn't paying attention or didn't get out of the way in time. If Ollie really isn't happy with this pup I would try to keep him away, is he like this with all pups or more so with this one? You want him to be tolerant ideally but if its just this pup maybe he just is a bit too much for Ollie's liking.
     
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    thanks for your post. Ollie is definitely warning this puppy off, he is definitely not happy. It's only this puppy he is like this with. Other puppies he is usually fine with, but if a puppy jumps on his face or head, he will growl and this usually stops the other puppy. this cockapoo is so peristant, it's almost like he's deaf and just ignores anything from any dog. (he isn't deaf, he can hear his owner calling him). Its constant that this pup jumps on me and jumps on Ollie, and once Ollie has growled and snapped, that is it, he just keeps on growling and snapping until we walk away. Ollie doesn't usually bother the pup but the pup comes running up to him and bowls into him. This isn't sudden behaviour either, this has happened for a while. Also, I've seen other dogs telling this pup off too many times, today there were two terriers really getting into this pup, pinning it the ground, growling, barking, and the pup was still as bouncy as ever after the incident. I usually see the pup every day at the park. The pup runs over from a fair distance too, so unless I walk about 50m away from this pup, I'm likely to meet it quite often.
     
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    Do you think it would be worth asking his owner if he or she could try to keep him away from Ollie a bit more (ie. call him away and if he or she can't call him away then he probably needs some work on his recall before they let him off so much anyway).

    Personally if this was me I would just be worried that my dog might eventually snap and catch the pups nose and cause a cut which the owner might over react over. At the end of the day if you have a dog that wont leave others alone you need to be able to call it off or realise that it is quite likely your dog might get nipped.

    As much as its nice to get a puppy well behaved with going near dog's like Ollie who are friendly etc, its not Ollie's job or yours to teach this little one what he should and shouldn't be doing. You don't want Ollie to turn into a grumpy boy whenever he sees a puppy because he assumes it will be a persistent bugger and not leave him alone like the cockapoo. Naturally if you had this pup it would be really rubbish if no one would let you near their dogs to try and socialise him but it seems that if Ollie really isn't happy with this pup that its not fair for him to have to meet him as often as he does.

    I don't know anything here of really what you should and shouldn't do, just remember its not up to you or Ollie to have anything to do with this pup if you don't want to. Hopefully his owner is working with him to try and call him off and he'll calm down a bit. If it really bugs you I'd try talking to the owner and at least you might get the idea of what they think to their pup being growled at and him not reponding to it :)
     
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    thank you. i agree with you totally. I'll try and avoid this pup as much as possible and ignore the pup when it comes over, and I'll try and distract Ollie away from this pup.
     
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    I bet this pup ends up going the same way as you at the same time most days too, just to make it harder..! Maybe he is just mega excitable and will get the hint eventually but definitely doesn't sound fun for Ollie being the one who has to tell him off!

    How is his recall at the minute, sounded like he was doing really good a few weeks ago? :)
     
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    his recall is fab at the moment. I haven't used the long line at all for about a week now (i used to use it for the first 5 minutes to get Ollie focused, but I do that now on his short lead). He recalls well from other dogs and from smells now, which was difficult before. If he's particularly interested in a smell, I just walk away and he soon follows. :D using the command "leave it" works well too for food on the floor or any items that he may eat.
     
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    Sounds brilliant :thumbup:

    We're still chasing birds in the sky 40% the time :rolleyes:

    I'm training him to whistle now and he does respond really well. He ignores me when I call him because I'm not interesting enough but I'm trying to make the whistle really fun because it still involves me and then hopefully I can work back down to me calling him and him leaving whatever he has stuck his face in!
     
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    its great that hes responding to the whistle well. i hope he continues to work well for you. :)
     
  10. Montys_Mum

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    If your dog tells the puppy off, the puppy will learn. It's how they would learn in the wild. So long as it is just a telling off and not a full on attack, it'd be good for the puppy, and it's manners would improve.

    At least this is what I have been told!
     
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    this has been going on for weeks now, and the puppy is still doing the same things. i have seen other dogs almost attack it but the puppy is still doing the same things again and again.
     
  12. Nellybelly

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    Sounds like it is more the puppy's problem rather than Ollie's. I'd say avoid where possible, an dif you can't avoid, just move on with Ollie to mininise the time that the puppy annoys him;
     
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