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GDS: A good dog to own or not for everyone?

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by acaciabrown, Jul 9, 2009.


  1. Dingle

    Dingle PetForums VIP

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    So in effect you trained him to be quiet at the early puppy stage, good for you... i bet he's a great dog!

    thanks :)
     
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    He's a darling but I am slightly biased:D
     
  3. Natik

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    How can u put very strong guard instinct as a bad point?
    German shepherds are bred to have this guard instinct, its not a fault in the breed and its their "job" to guard. They bred to be this way and if someone looks to choose this breed of course they have to be aware of that but surely they cant put it down being a negative side of the dog...

    Also german shepherds are not a breed with the most awfull hips, the sussex or clumber spaniels for example are alot worse affected by hip dysplasia than the german shepherd breed is.

    The vocal side of the german shepherd isnt also considered as a bad point. Another thing there have been bred to do. They are meant to alarm with their voice anything abnormal.
     
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    I'm fully aware they were bred to be guard dogs and as such are meant to have that strong instinct. But it could be a bad point as it means they need etra socialisation as do any of the guard breeds. I know clumbers at least have awful hips a lot worse than gsds but it is a bad point and something to be considered because both parents have to have very good hip scores. A very vocal breed could be a bad thing if you don't like vocal breeds or have awful neighbours. I know all of this is essential for the breeds function but we're not talking about getting one as a guard dog I wrote that list for a pet gsd not one bred as a guard dog.
     
  5. Natik

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    If someone consideres those as bad points then they should certainly stay away from owning this breed be it as a pet or for working :)

    Those are desireable qualities in the breed and not cons ....

    Any dog breed need much the same amount of sozilisation or else they develope issues with time, but because of the size and strenght of the german shepherd it will cause of course more problems than a small breed would i suppose.

    Of course the lower the scoring the better, but still the german shepherd is not the worst....its on place 20 with the bva so there are 19 breeds affected even more.
    Often the german shepherd developes hip dysplacia because of the wrong way of bringing up the dog as a pup.
     
  6. Nicky09

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    I don't consider them bad points but if someone is looking to get one they need to realise these dogs are going to bark and need a lot of training if only as you said because they are big and powerful you need to have them under control at all times. I know there are quite a few breeds that can develop HD and of course gsds aren't the worst for it but quite a few do develop it and that needs to be mentioned to someone that is going to buy the breed or is considering it.
    I'm a huge fan of this breed am considering getting it in the future when I have the time to train for and do working trials because I don't think it would be fair to buy one especially from working lines and just keep it as a pet without giving it that stimulation.
     
  7. Natik

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    But u put them down as bad points?

    I am confused lol.....shouldnt u have any type of dog, regardless of breed, under control at all times... :confused:

    And GSD dont bark constantly, like i said, they only ring alarm if needed, all other times they stay usually quite, of course if not trained properly they will bark for no reason, but again this goes for all breeds.

    And if u buy a GSD from responsible breeders and of course bring it up responsibly as a pup then the chances are very high the dog will not develope HD.

    :)
     
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    Did I say they bark constantly? I don't think so. Of course you should any dog under control at all times but its especially important when you're talking about a large powerful dog like a gsd. Of course not every gsd is not going to develop HD and there are things you can do to prevent it my friends rescue working line doesn't have it. Many people would consider a vocal dog with guarding tendancies bad points especially in an average family home. I however do not.
     
  9. Rebecca and the pack

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    Having 2, I think they are wonderful. Lovely temperaments, submissive if trained properly, in not they become dominant, good with other pets, even my rabbit is a good friend for our youngest GSD and very handsome. If you dont get a show line dog and one with a straight back you have, in effect, no problems. My 14 year old GSD suffers more with his front legs than his back. He was my parents first dog, they were novices and he was badly trained when they got him from some people getting rid of him. I suppose it comes down to the dog not the breed personality wise.
     
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    Can I just say Zeus and Lucky are gorgeous dogs.
     
  11. Natik

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    To me Vocal means alot of barking, maybe u meant something else with this description? i dont know :)

    I think i said my bit and i for one would have put those qualities down as pros :D :thumbup:
     
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    Vocal yes they do bark a lot but I didn't say they bark all the time. I would put them down as pros to but some people wouldn't. However I do think this is getting a bit ridiculous and I don't want to end up getting the thread locked or something so I won't say anything else.
     
  13. Natik

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    im sorry u feel that way, i just wanted to voice my experience and my opinions.... just because they are different to urs doesnt mean to me that its getting ridiculous.

    :)
     
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    It's funny that, I've met some very vocal GSDs but mine does not bark at all. The only time she will is when next door's daughter has brought her dogs down. I'll be sitting in the living room hearing Sky bark and be all "omg wtf is that noise?!!" it's funny :D

    But yes I agree with everyone. GSDs are not for first time owners. Like every big dog they need dedication and a lot of exercise. They and strong willed and strong bodied so unless you train them from the off you're going to have trouble.

    They need a lot of stimulation, they are not lapdogs and always have something on the go. I've just begun scent working with mine and she absolutely loves it :)

    Cons I would say the stigma that comes with them. If you want a GSD you had better get used to people telling you your dog should be on a muzzle/shouldn't be out etc. They get bored very easily and when they do they turn destructive. Just like any other dog really.

    But it's so rewarding to have them. They are such a loyal breed and will do anything for you :)
     
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    I can understand your view points but it was going around in circles no point continuing it. Sorry I think I'm just a bit touchy today we're just getting back into the house today after being evacuated and I'm just really tired.
     
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    :S I don't really understand what you're saying. The point was if you get this breed beware you need to put extra effort into these points - coming from a household with a golden retriever very little effort goes to the socialization points OR to the 'guarding instinct' points. Our dog has little to no issues with this at all, it's a pretty valid point to list under cons for a family pet.
     
  17. Nicky09

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    I don't think thats going to get you anywhere I agree with you but everyone has different opinions and some people feel that a dogs instinct that they were bred to do shouldn't be put as cons and thats their opinion or something else more diplomatic than I'm capable of right now.
     
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    ;) don't worry about it, I know exactly what you meant! But giving the circumstances of 'family pet' one should factor in that you probably don't want a dog that barks a *lot* or has control/guarding issues. GDS are intensely loyal and very bright which is why we are considering this breed - but one should also beware that you need to put more effort in accordingly. Surely due to the situational circumstances that's a con - i.e it's subjective according to the situation. Like Jack Russels are constantly on the go - can be a good or a bad thing.
     
  19. Natik

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    I agree with everyone that u need to put alot of effort with this breed, never said thats wrong.

    Maybe i just see things a bit different and maybe more straight forward :D
    My GSD is a family pet and one of the points i chose him was because of the guarding qualities... but then if i would see guarding as a cons then i wouldnt consider any guarding breeds from the start :)

    I dont know much about golden retrievers but i know that any breed need sozalisation from an early age or else the risk is there that problems arise in the future.

    I think its just down to how u experience this breed and its traits, what for others is a cons is for others a pro ;)
     
  20. Nicky09

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    But a lot of people looking at gsds aren't looking to get one for the guard side of it more I want a Rin Tin Tin dog or those are such pretty dogs. They may not be aware of just how much work the breed needs.
     
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