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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Munchkinflora, Nov 18, 2018.


  1. Munchkinflora

    Munchkinflora PetForums Newbie

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    okay so, we as a family have recently bought a collie pup. He’s currently 11 weeks old and have just had his first vac this week.

    SO, when my parents took the pup to get said vac they asked the vet if they could take him for a walk, APPARENTLY the vet said it’s okay you’ll just have to be vigilant and watch his every move. So this is where I’m very...concerned. I thought you should only walk your pup two weeks after the second jab? How risky is it walking the dog just after his first vac? Me, personally will not be walking the dog as I don’t want to take a chance on it. But they are still going to do it regardless, so I need facts to back up my argument to stop them from taking him out. Surely any respecting vet will say to wait until second vac?

    I’ll appreciate any response! Thank you

    This is Seth, btw!
     
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  2. Siskin

    Siskin Look into my eyes....

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    Usually vets are ultra cautious and say to not walk a puppy until a week after the final jab, so it’s unusual to hear one giving different advice.
    Personally I wouldn’t, but the puppy can be carried around to see and hear the outside world.
    The problem with taking a puppy out now is you won’t know if any dogs carrying a disease has been walking. Most people inoculate their dogs annually, but many don’t and parvo for instance is deadly for a pup. Also an 11 week old puppy is too young to be going on formal walks and is better off playing in the garden and allowed to move around or just stop and lie down at their own pace.

    The general rule of thumb is to only lead walk puppies at a fixed pace for 5 minutes every month of age, so a three month old puppy can have a 15 minutes of lead walking. A play in a field is different nd you can stay out longer so long as you take it at the puppies pace. This is to protect growing joints and bones, overexercise at a young he can lead to skeletal problems later in life.
     
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  3. Munchkinflora

    Munchkinflora PetForums Newbie

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    Hm, that’s what I thought, too. I don’t they’ll carry him, he’s pretty big and a wriggler! Thank you for educating me on this, I’ll use some of your points to make sure he doesn’t go out! I’m just scared they’ll do it anyway...since he’s actually their dog, but I look after him all day everyday.
     
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    I have been told the same with Liam,vet said he could go out after second jab
     
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    labradrk PetForums VIP

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    It's really not risky in this country as most dogs are vaccinated. Just keep him away from strange dogs and faeces. I take mine out on the ground the day after I get them, never waited until vaccinations have been completed.
     
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    Munchkinflora PetForums Newbie

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    I just don’t trust people to fully vaccinate their dogs, so I’d rather not risk it. He’s out in the garden, but there’s a lot of dogs in my neighbourhood can’t exactly go up to every owner and ask if their dog(s) are up to date on their vacs.
     
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    You could take him to puppy classes and to friends houses to give him outings. He is too young to enjoy actual walks. You could also take him to areas where dogs are seldom walked and let him run around
     
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    We waited nearly 2 weeks after his final jabs before we took Dillon out.
     
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    Munchkinflora PetForums Newbie

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    He has to be fully vaccinated before starting puppy classes. I’ve suggested taking him out in the car and to a friends place, but they aren’t up for it. I don’t know, his whole situation could potentially get a tad heated.
     
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    labradrk PetForums VIP

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    If he's not coming into contact with other dogs it's irrelevant.

    I live in a busy town and my adult dogs get zero contact with random dogs. It's not hard to avoid them.
     
  11. Munchkinflora

    Munchkinflora PetForums Newbie

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    Pretty sure he doesn’t have to make contact with any other dog to catch something. I didn’t say avoiding them would be an issue either. I simply said that I don’t trust other owners to fully vaccinate their dogs. ‍♀️
     
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    So I'm with your parents on this. Forward thinking vets now often advise taking them out after the first vaccination if you are sensible.

    What you have to consider is risk versus reward. The risk is minimal in a healthy puppy that is not being exposed to random dogs. As I said, we are not a country with a stray or unvaccinated dog problem, so it's really not hard to control situations in this respect.

    One of the biggest critical periods for socialisation closes at 12 weeks. With certain breeds especially (Collies being one of them, given that they can sway towards the more 'challenging' side with things like movement sensitivity, noise sensitivity etc) the risks of early careful exposure generally outweigh the risks of them getting ill. Personally, I want to get my puppies out in the real world as soon as possible.
     
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    labradrk PetForums VIP

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    Look, I've said my bit. It sounds as though you've come on here to get people to agree with you and then get defensive when they don't.
     
  14. Munchkinflora

    Munchkinflora PetForums Newbie

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    Not at all. I appreciate your input and I’ll take it into account. Thanks
     
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    If he was 10 weeks or over when he had his first vac he should be fine to go out before the 2nd.

    If you know which brand of vaccine was used you can look up the data sheet and see what is advised, but I'm sure the vet knows what they were talking about. Nobivac DHP for example:

    Primary course vaccination: A single injection should establish active immunity in dogs of 10 weeks of age or older. Where earlier protection is required a first dose may be given to puppies from 6 weeks of age, but because maternally derived passive antibody can interfere with the response to vaccination a final dose should be given 2–4 weeks later i.e. at 10 weeks of age or older.
     
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    It's your puppy risk it if you want, but i wouldn't risk my puppy.
     
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    No, if he comes into contact with where infected faeces are, or have been, it can be VERY relevant. Fatally so.
     
  18. labradrk

    labradrk PetForums VIP

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    Which is what I said in my first post?

    But it's still extremely rare and not something I would consider to be a problem if you are sensible. Other people are free to do as they wish.
     
  19. Sarah H

    Sarah H Grand Empress of the Universe

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    It really is up to your parents. I personally would get pup out there and socialised, avoid highly populated doggy areas, but get him out there! You can carry pup (you can even get doggy backpacks to carry them in if he's heavy!) to show him the world.

    Here is a website that weighs up the risks vs benefits of early socialisation against potential illnesses. Have a read, very interesting.
    http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/early-puppy-socialization-classes-weighing-risks-vs-benefits
     
  20. Jamesgoeswalkies

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    If you are concerned and want to follow your vets advice then maybe give them a call to confirm that this is what the vet said. I do tend to find that vets are generally sticklers for keeping pups in until fully covered by their vaccination (quite rightly so as that is their job). Your Vet may have meant take the pup out in the car/carrying/friends houses etc.

    However i was told many years ago that Vets and Behaviourists will often disagree on this matter as (as Labradrk says) it's a case of 'risk over reward' during this important (critical) period of the puppies life.

    Personally mine go out from day one - I am careful where they walk, we do not encounter strange dogs (which is easy as with a pup that age you can only be out for 10-15 mins anyway) and we avoid areas where there may be dog poo. Water is also something that should be avoided. But we wander our road for a while or have a play in a field.

    So in my opinion it's a choice - but if you are unsure have another chat with your vet and then make a decision................

    J
     
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