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Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by frenchymum1981, May 15, 2017.


  1. frenchymum1981

    frenchymum1981 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi I am a mum to 3 french bulldog bitches, one I rescued from a breeder who had finished breeding her and 2 Ive had from puppies who are 2 and 15 months. I am thinking of breeding my two girls, I have a chance to buy a male. My questions are what is it like having an entire male around my females? is all well until they are in season? and if im planning a litter do i still need to separate them, while they are in season? just would love to hear any experiances you have before I decide to buy this male or not. I would be neutering them all after one litter each. thanks
     
  2. ouesi

    ouesi Guest

    Hi and welcome to the forum.
    Pardon my bluntness, but honestly, if you have to ask what it's like to have an intact male with intact females, if you have to ask if you should separate them, you really shouldn't be breeding at all.

    You also shouldn't be breeding your girls until they have had all the relevant health tests for the breed which you could find out through the breed club. The male will have to have all the relevant tests done as well.

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  3. Dogloverlou

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    You want to breed from both bitches? Why?

    Do you show them? Are you actively involved with the breed club or the breed community in anyway? Presumably you're still in touch with your girl's breeder/s? So they'd be your first port of call for advice as to whether your girls are breed worthy or not. Frenchies are hugely overbred currently, so unless yours are doing exceptionally well in the show world and/or have other outstanding qualities that other Frenchies are not already adding to the breed, I'd not be looking at breeding from them at all tbh.

    Yes, it's stressful for entre males living with entire bitches, and you will likely have to send him to kennels and/or a family member/friend etc during the most receptive stages of your bitches seasons.

    What's more you would need to fully health TEST all your dogs as per recommended here - http://www.dogbreedhealth.com/french-bulldog/
     
  4. rottiepointerhouse

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    Is there any particular reason you are thinking of breeding from your bitches? Do you feel they bring something to the breed, are they particularly fine examples for instance? I've never owned an intact male in the same house as intact females but I have owned an intact male who was extremely distressed by having a bitch in season living at the other end of our road, so much so that he went off his food, threw himself at doors and windows, whined non stop and became such a nightmare to walk he had to be kept on a lead otherwise he would try to get back to her. I would be asking myself if its fair to do that to a male with not one but two bitches and also looking into all the recommended health tests for both of your females and the male and also making sure you have an experienced breeder as a mentor to help you and have enough funds set aside should your bitches need emergency C sections plus that you can personally take responsibility for any dog that you breed should the new home not work out so as to avoid any pups being sold on to become cash cows in the future or to end up in rescue.

    Hopefully @Meezey will see this and be along with some advice.
     
  5. Rafa

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    Having an entire male in the house with in season bitches would be a nightmare.

    You could not allow him to be with the bitches, for two reasons. One is that any matings have to be carefully supervised/managed as there is real risk of injury to both dog and bitch and second, bitches tend to be receptive for around ten days and he would mate them repeatedly, so you wouldn't have a clue when the pups were due.

    You would have to keep him separate and he likely would drive you mad in his attempts to get to them. He will also begin scent marking, cocking his leg on furniture, doors, etc.

    The temperament of a dog can change once he has mated a bitch and he could become other dog aggressive.

    French Bulldogs aren't the best at whelping, so you would need a tidy sum set aside for if C Sections were necessary.
     
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    frenchymum1981 PetForums Newbie

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    These are the kind of replys I wanted to see, I needed to know what it would be like and I see from these its a no no, so no boy for me. I still have my breeders contact details both said that I could have a litter. Theyre both kc reg I haven't looked into it anymore than asking on this forum and at the vets so dont think I will rush out and have a litter. One of my frenchies mums self welped and the other had a csection. When I spoke to my vets re this he advised that an xray to check pups head sizes before they were due to try to self welp and that a csection would be 1500 which I would have. But I haven't made any firm and fast decisions I just love my girls thats why I'm undecided.
     
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    Dogloverlou PetForums VIP

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    It's refreshing to hear from someone who is not just gung ho on breeding and throws their toys out of the pram when they get answers they don't like.

    I would seriously consider what it is that makes your bitches so special in terms of you think they're breed worthy? And that's not meant rudely at all, but as dog owners we all get a bit blinkered at times with how amazing we think our dogs are. Wanting pups just because they would make great mums, or you think they need pups etc is not a good enough reason.

    That said, if you're seriously considering it still, I'd encourage you to enter some shows with both bitches to at least get some independent reviews on both dogs, whether they correctly adhere to the breed standard etc.

    Health testing is different from vet checks, so that's something to bear in mind and further look into also.

    The French Bulldog club has more info in regards to that - http://www.frenchbulldogclubofengland.org.uk/health.html
     
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    Big kudos to you for taking on advice :)
    Nice to get a reply like this one!
     
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    frenchymum1981 PetForums Newbie

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    I quite fancy going to shows to be honest, never been to a dog show. I've got 2 exotic persians who I rehomed when they finished breeding with their breeder and have been to loads of cat shows but never a dog show! I am a serious animal lover all my animals are truly spoiled. I had to ask because I saw the male and didn't want him to sell and then regret it, I would rather ask people with experiance than try to guess or google it as it gives a real life scenario so thanks for the input, I have no regrets now. I just love them to bits with their little mushy faces haha off out now for our evening walk xx
     
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    frenchymum1981 PetForums Newbie

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    Oh forgot to answer one question, why do I think they are breed worthy.. I think Cleo my mainly black with brindle, although she is brindle on her papers, she has fab bone structure really stocky with a sweet face, true to type, the main reason for breeding would be to keep a pup and my brother who has no pets would have one for free of course!! I would rather rehome to people I know or relatives, thats If and a big IF I decided to go ahead. I would have loads of them if I had the money and land. They all have empathy like no other dog I've owned and i particually like the way they like to be with their human, but thats just me, I'm sad like that ha And the other female who is smaller she is just so loving she lays in my arms like a baby all day and washes me ha I have my resivations with her because of her size but her mum was smaller than her and self welped 4 in her litter and has just self welped 3 in her last litter. eek just dont know what to do, I'm lucky enough to be at home all day so caring for them wouldn't be an issue and I have none due in season for months as theyve just had a season. Just adore them would love another...
     
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    Just a little to think about;

    572 results http://www.preloved.co.uk/search?ke...e=&advertType=&advertiserType=&promotionType=
    1,110 results https://www.pets4homes.co.uk/search/?type_id=3&breed_id=137&advert_type=1&results=10&sort=datenew
    370 results https://www.gumtree.com/search?search_category=pets&search_location=uk&q=french+bulldog
    21 results http://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/french-bulldog/puppies

    Frenchie numbers are ridiculous. Unless you are breeding the best of the best, there is simply no need to throw more of them out there.
    And the best of the best for brachy breeds like frenchies doesnt necessarily mean what is winning at shows, or what joe bloggs thinks is super cute. There are far too many grunting, snorting, struggling pinched nose dogs out there, things need not be made worse :(
     
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    Frenchies have become very fashionable and I'm sure they eventually will suffer the same fate as those popular Breeds that went before them such as Staffies and Huskies. Many of them now in rescue.

    Your girls sound very sweet, but, if you're not breeding to produce pups better than their parents, who will go and win in the showring and help to improve the Breed, then I can't see a valid reason to put your bitches through the whole experience or to take the risks involved on their behalf.

    If they were mine, I would spay them and enjoy them as your pets.
     
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    Why not give a rescue a home if you really want another?
     
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    having owned dogs of the opposite sex for years but having actually never bred any of my dogs, all i can say to you is, it's an absolute nightmare, even with a castrated dog, it doesn't stop them being a pest with your girls, they don't magically loose the urge because their ''bits'' have gone.

    plus, there are many pitfalls to owning a ''stud'' dog, whether you use a dog at stud once or 100 times there is a huge possibility of them scent marking around your house etc...if you're not going to like this, then you'd have to think long and hard how you are going to house a dog that does and keep him happy, also could you realistically find enough stud work to keep him ''satisfied''? many people don't think of the effect it can have on a male.

    i have a beautiful girl, whose been lightly shown, done well at the few shows she's been to when i have found the time and has a pedigree full of champions from all over the world, just because she ticks all the boxes and capable, doesn't mean i should breed her.
     
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