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We have 2 small dogs ( a Cairn and a Westie) who we walk fairly early on each day.

We have recently moved to a rural area and are finding out that many people walk their dogs offlead. Unfortunately our dogs are very nervous and so we go out early to avoid the bulk of off-lead dogs.

Yesterday we saw 2 joggers (female) with no less than seven off lead alsations running with them. There is no way they had control of these dogs which resembled a pack of wolves. Thankfully we did not have our own dogs with us as I know our dogs would have barked at these, and dread to think what the results would have been.

This was not on a field, but on a quiet country road.

Does anyone know if there is a law about the amount of off-lead dogs you can have at any one time please?

This was a most frightening site, almost like a nightmare waiting to happen.
 

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We have recently moved to a rural area and are finding out that many people walk their dogs offlead.

Yes that is normal and legal.

Unfortunately our dogs are very nervous and so we go out early to avoid the bulk of off-lead dogs.

If your dogs are very nervous, why is that? Have they been attacked before?

Yesterday we saw 2 joggers (female) with no less than seven off lead alsations running with them. There is no way they had control of these dogs which resembled a pack of wolves.

I wonder if your comments would be the same if the seven dogs had been say Bichon Frises?

How do you know what their level of control is?


Thankfully we did not have our own dogs with us as I know our dogs would have barked at these, and dread to think what the results would have been.

Ah, you mean that there is no way you can have control over your two dogs and prevent them from barking? :rolleyes:

This was not on a field, but on a quiet country road.

Does anyone know if there is a law about the amount of off-lead dogs you can have at any one time please?

There may be local byelaws which state how many dogs may be walked by any one person and whether or not they have to be on a lead.

This was a most frightening site, almost like a nightmare waiting to happen.
It is illegal to have dogs off lead on a public highway.

It sounds as though you are as nervous as your dogs, perhaps you could have a word with the joggers ask if it would be possible for their dogs to be on a lead when you pass as you are particularly nervouse of big dogs that look like wolves?
 

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Hello Smokeybear,

thank you for your prompt reply which I appreciate, and will try to answer your points:

Yes, our own dogs are nervous and will bark at strangers until they are used to them. We have actually employed 2 different dog trainers in the past to try and combat this, one is ongoing.

It is probably my own nervousness coming through to our dogs, as I personally have been attacked by an alsation in the past (on my own, prior to owning our dogs) and it did necessitate hospital treatment.

I hardly think you can compare 7 bichon freises to 7 alsations in terms of size and the damage they could do. Regardless of breed, dogs are pack animals and if one starts to attack, the others will join in.

They certainly did not appear to have control, they were jogging in front, not even looking at their dogs who were all over the place.

However, I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
 

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Did these dogs charge over to you, knock you down or act in an aggressive manner?

It is common practice in rural areas to walk dogs off lead on country roads. Yes it is probably dangerous due to the possibility of drivers who drive too fast for these roads but the countryside seems to have it's own rules.

I doubt you are going to ingratiate yourself into what is likely to be a tight knit new community by reporting people though.

Hopefully this new situation might push you to do some work with your dogs to make them less nervous and reactive towards other dogs if you aren't already. Maybe consider a behaviourist? Good luck
 

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We have 2 small dogs ( a Cairn and a Westie) who we walk fairly early on each day.

We have recently moved to a rural area and are finding out that many people walk their dogs offlead. Unfortunately our dogs are very nervous and so we go out early to avoid the bulk of off-lead dogs.

Yesterday we saw 2 joggers (female) with no less than seven off lead alsations running with them. There is no way they had control of these dogs which resembled a pack of wolves. Thankfully we did not have our own dogs with us as I know our dogs would have barked at these, and dread to think what the results would have been.

This was not on a field, but on a quiet country road.

Does anyone know if there is a law about the amount of off-lead dogs you can have at any one time please?

This was a most frightening site, almost like a nightmare waiting to happen.
Somebody else shouldn't have their dogs off lead because you can't control yours? :confused:
 

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Sorry if it scared you, but as a matter of interest what was the behaviour that made you feel the dogs were not under control? Did they run up to you, jump or bark at you?

If you are a towny am afraid you will find lots of things are rather different in rural areas :)
 

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Not the case at all, if you are not already aware, it is against the law to have dogs off lead on a public road.

We are talking about seven large alsations, running loose, not toy poodles.

Our dogs are fully under our control - yes they bark - but that is all - no agression.

What chance would they (or ourselves) have if they are on lead and the other dogs are not.

We do not wish to 'ingratiate' ourselves at all, just had hoped for consideration. Believe me, we do have a country background and have just returned.

My oh my what a friendly board this is here. I thought doggie people were friendly, not the case on here is it?
 

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Not the case at all, if you are not already aware, it is against the law to have dogs off lead on a public road.
That's not strictly true

We are talking about seven large alsations, running loose, not toy poodles.
and the difference is?

Our dogs are fully under our control - yes they bark - but that is all - no agression.
If they are fully under control why let them bark at other dogs and people? Somebody somewhere will start a thread complaining about your dogs that as far as I can see have done more than the ones you are complaining about

What chance would they (or ourselves) have if they are on lead and the other dogs are not.
You have told us nothing about theses dogs to make anyone think your dogs are in any danger
 
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I find everyone on here is friendly. What members don't usually like is people being prejudiced against certain breeds of dogs particually if those dogs haven't done anything in terms of threatening behavior towards you.
 

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What has been said thats unfriendly? I merely asked what did the dogs do that made you believe they were out of control?

Yes I am aware of the laws re leashes. Its only semi rural where I live so roads are busy and I have never seen anyone with dogs off lead on the footpaths. My uncles have a farm where it is completey rural, deep countryside actually, the country lane to their farm rarely has any vehicles on it at all and the vast majority of people don't have their dogs on lead - the dogs however are obedient and under their owners control
 

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We have 2 small dogs ( a Cairn and a Westie) who we walk fairly early on each day.

We have recently moved to a rural area and are finding out that many people walk their dogs offlead. Unfortunately our dogs are very nervous and so we go out early to avoid the bulk of off-lead dogs.

Yesterday we saw 2 joggers (female) with no less than seven off lead alsations running with them. There is no way they had control of these dogs which resembled a pack of wolves. Thankfully we did not have our own dogs with us as I know our dogs would have barked at these, and dread to think what the results would have been.

This was not on a field, but on a quiet country road.

Does anyone know if there is a law about the amount of off-lead dogs you can have at any one time please?

This was a most frightening site, almost like a nightmare waiting to happen.
Ok, I would like to welcome you to the forum and perhaps put your mind at rest a little. We are friendly, but we do take umbrage at people thinking they can dictate to everybody else how their dogs behave. There is, as far as I know, no law which says how many off lead dogs can be walked by one person. There are laws about off lead dogs beside roads, but I think that is more local bye laws than an actual law.

If these girls had seven German Shepherds (alsatians) off lead, I would imagine they had total control through training. Being on a lead does not always mean the dog is under control, especially if he is stronger than his handler. Far better for him to be trained to certain words and actions.

If you saw me with my dogs you probably think that I was not in control as they would be off lead (though not beside a road) and just following me, sniffing around, talking to other dogs and people. But they will always follow me when I call, which is the important thing.

I think your main problems are 1) you were attacked by this breed so are naturally nervous of them and 2) you take your dogs out early to avoid other dogs so they are not properly socialised.

No amount of money spent on behaviourists is going to do a thing if they never see another dog.

I see you are in Hertfordshire and would be interested to know whereabouts. I am in North Hertfordshire and where I take my dogs there are a whole bunch of very friendly doggie people with friendly dogs who would be happy to help you accustom your dogs to others.

Sorry if it scared you, but as a matter of interest what was the behaviour that made you feel the dogs were not under control? Did they run up to you, jump or bark at you?

If you are a towny am afraid you will find lots of things are rather different in rural areas :)
Yep, my mum moved out of London then found out she couldn't buy live eels! Boy! Was she upset!;)
 

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I walk my two gsds (or alsations as you might know them) off lead, if I had walked past your dogs and they had started barking at me, I would have called my dogs attention to me and continued on my way, they wouldnt attack your dogs. Most gsds are pretty well controlled, they are too big not to be under control, try not to worry, Im sure they wouldnt be walking 7 off lead dogs unless they had control of them. Do you think it would help to try to talk to the gsd owners and ask to meet their dogs would help, if you met them it might help with some of your concerns.
 

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I find everyone on here is friendly. What members don't usually like is people being prejudiced against certain breeds of dogs particually if those dogs haven't done anything in terms of threatening behavior towards you.
A woman I see regularly has three German Shepherds always off lead. If other dogs bark at them, charge up to them or anything else they will merely give them a glance and just walk on.

OP The assumption that these dogs would have attacked your little ones if they had barked at them is what is upsetting people.
 

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I find your argument and justifications on this thread bizarre. You are comparing different breeds in thinking and also assuming that the natures are very different. Like stating the differences between a Bichon and a GSD. Whilst breeds are different in appearances, it is very misguided to think GSD's are dangerous. I have met many GSD who are great with commands just like other breeds I have seen too. I walk mine off lead and I have control of them through strong recall. I have seen many GSD's and other large breeds off lead and their attention be on their owner at all time.

If you are insecure about your dogs behaviour off lead, why not go to classes where groups socialise their dogs? This can help with any anxiety issues your dogs may have. I did it with my Westie and she improved in small steps. I think you should focus more on your own dogs than worry and occupy yourself with other dogs and their owners.
 

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I find your argument and justifications on this thread bizarre. You are comparing different breeds in thinking and also assuming that the natures are very different. Like stating the differences between a Bichon and a GSD. Whilst breeds are different in appearances, it is very misguided to think GSD's are dangerous. I have met many GSD who are great with commands just like other breeds I have seen too. I walk mine off lead and I have control of them through strong recall. I have seen many GSD's and other large breeds off lead and their attention be on their owner at all time.

If you are insecure about your dogs behaviour off lead, why not go to classes where groups socialise their dogs? This can help with any anxiety issues your dogs may have. I did it with my Westie and she improved in small steps. I think you should focus more on your own dogs than worry and occupy yourself with other dogs and their owners.
Actually GSDs, being one of the more intelligent and easily trained breeds, are far less likely to be out of control than a scatty, stubborn little bichon when you think about it.

I don't think I have ever seen an out of control German Shepherd to be honest.
 

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Actually GSDs, being one of the more intelligent and easily trained breeds, are far less likely to be out of control than a scatty, stubborn little bichon when you think about it.

I don't think I have ever seen an out of control German Shepherd to be honest.
I did hear this on a documentary (Not sure how much it is true) that Bichon's are the second most intelligent breed of dog. I have one and he is brilliant. He is just loves people and other dogs and never ever shows any aggression to other dogs or people. He just loves being amongst the crowd. I had a GSD years ago when I was wee lad before my parents split up and re-housed her with my auntie. I love GSD's. A true people's dog and for me they carry such a guardian pride with them when they are with a family.

My Bichon while a big cloud of love has a habit I haven't witnessed with a GSD which is roll in all kinds of poo apart from dog poo. :thumbdown:
 

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Most of the dogs walked in our village are off lead when away from the roads, Holly is usually walked near the river and the only on lead dogs are usually a DA
white German Shepard and young dogs being trained.
We seldom meet dogs that are out of control, often meet groups and they mostly get on.
 

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Not all GSD's are vicious.

My girl was never socialized around babies, we got her when my youngest sister was 5, but Sandy had never been exposed to babies or toddlers before, and yet she was such a gentle giant around my 2 year old nephew.

He would be pulling on her lips and poking her eyes, and the worse she'd do is cover him in saliva from all the kisses she'd be giving. Weeks before she went to Rainbow Bridge, we'd take her out for short walks with my nephew, and she'd always walk up to him and sniff or lick around his face, before moving on. My nephew was 1 in this photo;



I miss her so much. :( :(

In the end what I really am trying to say is an entire breed shouldn't be made guilty because of one incident. I am pretty sure that these ladies who own these dogs have very good control over them.
 

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Not the case at all, if you are not already aware, it is against the law to have dogs off lead on a public road.

We are talking about seven large alsations, running loose, not toy poodles.

Our dogs are fully under our control - yes they bark - but that is all - no agression.

What chance would they (or ourselves) have if they are on lead and the other dogs are not.

We do not wish to 'ingratiate' ourselves at all, just had hoped for consideration. Believe me, we do have a country background and have just returned.

My oh my what a friendly board this is here. I thought doggie people were friendly, not the case on here is it?
Wow, aren't you going to be great fun to be around. *sticks on ignore list and vows never to offer advice because I can't be arsed with people who cannot deal with opinions which differ or query their own*
 
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