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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Eithne, Apr 15, 2011.


  1. Eithne

    Eithne PetForums Member

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    What is everyone's opinion on this?

    As you might be aware I am a fairly new dog owner or should that be the dog owns me of a whippet called Molly. We have had her 3 weeks and from early on it became apparent that she hadn't had much socialisation with other dogs.

    I have been working really hard over the last weeks to get Molly comfortable around other dogs when out and about and it has been going really well until this week, however after this week i feel we have taken a massive step back :(

    On tuesday we were in the park and Molly was on her flexi lead which allows her to indulge in her love of sniffing, when we had an altercation with a dog off lead, who took a dislike to Molly and went for her! Molly freaked and whilst I tried to get her out of the way the other dog's owner stood chatting on the phone oblivious to what was going on until I lost my temper. This may not have been my finest hour but I let rip from anger and the fact I got a fright, I was then told that if she wasn't keen on other dogs she shouldn't be in a park i did point out that she is was on a lead whilst he was a fair distance behind his dog chatting on the phone.

    Again tonight I was with Molly and my OH walking along the river at Glasgow Green when a guy came along with a german shepherd on a lead and one rather large dog off lead but some way in front, when this dog seen Molly it came running up with the guy shouting it's ok hew just want's to play, Molly was very nervous and got in between me and my OH, OH shouted down for the guy to call the dog off which her tried to do but it just didn't listen.
    Next thing we know this dog is going for Molly and trying to get her neck, I was dragging her down the tow path whilst my OH put himself between us and the dog so we could get clear, The guy was having a hard time controlling the dog on the lead who was also going mental and the dog off lead, he couldn'y get a hold of it so my OH ended up grabbing it and trying to throw it down the path. We managed to get away but as you can imagine we were all shaken up.

    I feel so upset and annoyed tonight as we were doing so well and Molly was finally coming out of her shell and she ws starting to interact with other dogs without freaking out and I just think we are back to square 1 through no fault of our own.

    Sorry for rambling on but i think I just needed to vent....
     
  2. cinnamontoast

    cinnamontoast Sois pas chiant, chéri.

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    I feel your pain! I am sick of shouting at people who don't seem to have the basic brain of peanuts. If a dog is on the lead, put yours on the lead-simple equation. The only time I don't do it is when Brig is free because 100%, he will go straight past any dogs-total disinterest.

    IMO, you were right, but saying that, if Brig is attacked on lead, it may be partially my fault because I scream, panic and no doubt convey sheer terror to him :eek:. I've learnt to stop panicking and last time it happened, it was over very quickly because I didn't panic. This is hard to manage as I nearly pooed my pants from fear, thinking my little baby was going to be killed.:eek: (He obviously beat the other dog up big time:p
     
  3. Dogless

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    In my mind it is simple; if you spot a dog on a lead, put yours on or under close control so it doesn't approach. Most owners shout across that yours can be off, theirs just doesn't come back I have found!

    If you see a dog offlead and roaming about you can leave yours off - if you don't have a dog-friendly dog, don't let it off around others.

    Unfortunately, as you found out it does not always happen this way. I spent a while this afternoon cleaning my pup's bleeding nose after a terrier without a collar came shooting over to us this afternoon (Kilo was on his lead) and attacked him. He cowered between my knees screaming whilst the terrier took chunks out of his nose / belly etc. The owner managed to catch him and carry him off but Kilo was still shaking and crying for a good few minutes after :(.

    It is so frustrating when ignorant people ruin your walk, set back your dog's training or perhaps become a contributory factor in previously well-adjusted dogs becoming fear aggressive :mad:.

    Hope you are feeling slightly better now.
     
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    big (((((hugs))))) to you all hope that she is ok xx
     
  5. metaldog

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    It is a pain when this happens and in an ideal world it just wouldn't happen. However, you're going to come across this type of situation, as you have found out. The only thing you can really control is how you deal with it and it's good to have a plan. Always stay calm and confident, I know it's hard but your dog and the other dog will sense if you're scared/nervous and it won't help the situation.

    Often a firm 'GO AWAY' is enough to repel and exuberant dog. It's worth carrying a walking stick to create a barrier around you and your dog, or to have a pet corrector spray for in case things get out of hand. My Grufty was very dog aggressive and I learned to keep other dogs away from him by putting him behind me, balancing on one leg and using my raised leg to fend off the other dog (I learned the balancing at Kung Fu and would only recommend if you have good balance :lol: )

    I hope you manage to meet some nice friendly dogs for your girl to socialise with. :) Have you considered going to a dog training group to increase her confidence and get her some positive experiences around other dogs :)
     
  6. Eithne

    Eithne PetForums Member

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    Thanks everyone for your advice so far, Having read the board prior to getting molly and some of the threads and socialisation I knew not to try and get nervous and remain calm, the two incidents this week have just got me wound up at the lax attitude some people take with their dogs off lead.

    Tonight's incident got really me annoyed as he was obiviously struggling with one dog on lead and there was no way he could cope with one off lead as well. The dog off lead was quite big and if it was just me on my own I wouldn't have been able to do anything and that thought scared me.

    I haven't thought of a dog training group as i thought she would be slightly old for it now being approx 1 and half, but it is worth a shot as she is such a friendly wee thing and i can see her potential if she can get out from her shell. Must try to look into this and see what I can find in the area.
     
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    metaldog PetForums VIP

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    At the class I went to with my dogs it was mixed age group, but all dogs were over 9 months old anyone younger was in the puppy class :) The oldest dog we had begin was 9 years old :)
     
  8. Eithne

    Eithne PetForums Member

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    Metaldog, I have visions of me having the oldest dog in the class who acted like the youngest :D I am definately going to look into it as I think it will do her the world of good.
     
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    I haven't thought of a dog training group as i thought she would be slightly old for it now being approx 1 and half, but it is worth a shot as she is such a friendly wee thing and i can see her potential if she can get out from her shell. Must try to look into this and see what I can find in the area.

    Most training classes/clubs cater for dogs of all ages and providing the classes are well organised using modern methods, its a great way to socialise your dog. Its also a social occasion for the owners as well with like-minded people.
     
  10. new westie owner

    new westie owner PetForums VIP

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    Good luck hope you get on well at training class :)
     
  11. ballybee

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    I hope Molly and yourself are ok, Whenever i see a dog on lead i do my best to get Tummel back to put him on lead...it's common courtesy!!!

    Tummel is a dog that will run over to other dogs to greet...if the dog is nervous or not interested he walks off, if they are he'll greet, possibly play for a minute or 2 then goes off again so i trust him implicitly around other dogs. I have had the misfortune of him being attacked by the same Bichon frise twice(both dogs on lead...the bichon dragged it's owner over to us and started attacking Tummel) while the owner laughed and encouraged the behaviour as it was cute....that is until i pointed out if it had been my dog attacking hers(Tummel is a large dog) it wouldn't be so funny and she stormed off...haven't seen her since.

    I really hope these meeting don't affect you and Molly's trust of other dogs, theres always a few idiots who let their dog aggressive dogs run free in popular walking areas.
     
  12. Gilly and Jess

    Gilly and Jess PetForums Senior

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    It's taken me some getting used to this issue. I've had Jess attacked twice, once rather savagely by a dog who'd escaped his garden, the other by a dog who thought she wanted his ball when it had just rolled to her feet. The first time she was on lead, the second she was off, I had made the conscious choice to let her off having been warned the dog was toy possessive.

    I've begun keeping an eye out for any dogs when we're on walks, the minute I spot one I call her back and put her on lead, whether the other dog is on lead or not. I don't take the chance of Jess getting it in the neck (literally) any more. If the other dog is friendly I'll just keep her on lead to say hello, then when the coast is clear let her back off again.

    I've found that sometimes other owners will see me putting her back on lead and will shout to me "it's ok love" to indicate that their dog is friendly. I still put Jess on lead tho, and let them know it's so that her exuberance doesn't lead to a squabble, she gets quite excited when she meets some dogs, others don't have the same effect on her.....rather weird but it's there.

    When Jess was attacked the other week I was really rather perturbed it would set her back but she was back to normal within 24 hours and now it's as if it never happened!
     
  13. KalokiMallow

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    It's been driving me mad too. Though Archie isn't scared of other dogs, quite the opposite. And so many people let their dogs run over, when you can see either myself or my husband pulling Archie closer to us, often holding his collar as well as his lead. Somehow it just doesn't occur to them that we might be doing so for a reason!

    We had one woman with a tiny little toy dog on a lead (Archie is an overweight pointer cross - so huge size difference), when we saw her coming towards us - so we grabed Archie and forced him to sit, and waited for her to walk past. So she did, then she came back!! :eek: I had to yell out that he really hates other dogs, of course by this time he'd started growling. She glared at us and walked off.

    I don't understand how some people can be so stupid!
     
  14. catz4m8z

    catz4m8z PetForums VIP

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    IMO its fine to have dogs off lead...as long as they can be recalled from other dogs and people straight away if needed.
    Although I try and do most of my off lead walking in areas where I can detour around other dog owners so nobody has to put their dog back on a lead.
    The other day a family had to put their terrier on a lead when he saw my lot coz otherwise I would of been taking him home with me apparently!!LOL
    (my lot impressed me so much too. They ran up to near the family, stopped when I shouted them, then when I knelt down and called all three came tearing down the hill towards me looking like the opening credits of Little House on the Prairie!!):D
    I do go off peak times if I can though. I get fed up explaining that Im not so worried about someones big dog biting mine but rather the fact that my little dogs will def bite theirs if it doesnt leave them alone!:(
     
  15. mollymo

    mollymo Life is Golden

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    Its a very scarey time when it happens to you and I hope you and molly can get over this quicky.

    I take my dogs to a country field just behind my home normaly alone....but last saturday my adult son of 26 came with me.
    We minding our own business with our dogsoff lead as usual when a dog came charging over to us and he went really nasty at my youngster and she rolled over really scared andhe kept doing it and my son asked the fella who was at least 100yrds away to call his dog, the chap shouted he only playing but my son again told him to get his dog NOW.
    The fella walked to us but still not calling his dog and my son was getting more annoyed and shouted at the fella very loud and this other dog started to nip at my sons trousers and the chap found it very funny.
    Unfortunatly for the fella my son got mad and eyeballed this fella and im shouting at him telling him to come on and leave it.
    The fella said I know where you live and Im going to get the police to you for abbusive behaviour...eventully my son walked away and the fella was lucky he didnt get a smack I can tell you....
    Anyway guess what the police arrived at our home on monday morning to see my son and asked him to keep away from the field if he saw the other fella there as he was frightened of my son.
    I said it was all the other fellas fault as he would not call his dog away and they told me to call the dog warden if it happens again:rolleyes:

    The police were fine but what a waste of police time all over a bad dog owner.

    Sorry for the long post but I was very angry and its got it out of my system in words;)
     
  16. Eithne

    Eithne PetForums Member

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    Thanks for all the comments.

    We are all better this morning and after venting on here last night my anger disappeared. :D

    I am definately going to look into a dog training class we can both go to as i feel it will be benefical for both of us, she gets to socialise with new dogs and build up her confidence, we can practice commands etc and I can get to meet new people which is a bonus as we have not long moved house so don't particularly know many people around here.

    I think it is great that people can let their dogs off lead and it's good to see obedient dogs which will go back to their owners when called, I dream that one day that will be Molly and I, however, its frustrating to see so many people letting their dogs off lead who clearly don't have control over them and they run riot.

    mollymo - I can't believe the guy phoned the police and they actually turned up for something of the guys making, as I said earlier I was glad my OH was with us last night as I wouldn't have been able to do anything and i think that's what has been preying on my mind the most.
     
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