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Dogs being socialized

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by rona, Apr 1, 2011.


  1. rona

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    Just been reading Suewhites thread and noticed that quite a few people mention the lack of socialization for the dog, but do dogs continue to need socialization once adult?
    I had to put quite a bit of work into mine when I got him at 18 months because he just didn't behave properly and kept getting attacked, but now he's really not bothered that much with other dogs. he occassionally walks with some but never interacts, I'm sure he's happier just the two of us.
    I also walk a Lab that is very similar
    So once adult, do they really need interaction?
    I know all dogs are different but just because someone purposely avoids others, I don't think it is necessarily to the detriment of the dog
     
  2. Amethyst

    Amethyst PetForums VIP

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    Personally I think it's an ongoing thing, though without doubt in my mind the puppy weeks and months are the most important.
     
  3. rona

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    So you think I should make sure that my dog is taken where other dogs are walked, even though he wouldn't really like it, just to make sure he is still socializing?
    Why?
     
  4. ian1969uk

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    We got a second puppy to ensure that they both have ongoing interaction with another dog. I also always let them stop and say hello to other dogs when out as long as the other dog's owner is OK with this.

    I think it's important that they don't develop a detachment from other dogs as this can lead to defensiveness and even aggression.
     
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    It's going with mine, zeb needs it pretty much constant or he gets worse with his fear aggression like when they only had short leads walks after being neutered Zebs on lead fear aggression was worse but as soon as he was allowed off lead and play with other dogs he's back to being 99% fine

    Bears just a very dog social dog
     
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    i think dogs should be yes.

    After candy was attacked and started getting growly and grumbed at other dogs i started to avoid all other dogs for fear of her attacking.

    With fostering i only take dogs 6 montha nd below for a short time until rehomed, as candyw ill accept them without a blink of the eye. I started to take her there where were dogs again always on lead and getting her use to it all again.

    She isn't brilliant with other dogs again yet but we are getting there she can now pretty mcuh walk past without an issue but if that dog snarls or snaps at her she will go in for a full fight (that was shown to me tuesday)

    But she needs to learn even if they want to hurt her she can not do it back. for her own safety as well as others.

    It doesn't have to be all the time but i think every so often then yes its a good idea just to make sure things never go the wrong way.

    imo
     
  7. rona

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    This just emphasizes how socializing can go so wrong, you only need some idiot with an off lead dog aggressive dog and yours ends up one of the problem dogs.
    Mine says hello fine to 99% of dogs we meet (a little trouble with black labs) caused by a few bad encounters
    so I can see no real reason to put him in the position of being attacked when he doesn't really enjoy encounters with other dog anyway
     
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    Jack is a really social dog and will talk to anybody or anything but Blu likes to live in his own little world and only really likes to mix with poodles. Don't see the point in making him unhappy by dragging him to places he doesn't want to go. He enjoys his showing and agility but at obeience he tends to keep his distance from other dogs.
     
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    I think if you isolate him from other dogs, the more uneasy he will possibly become.

    If he is uneasy? If he is okay now with other dogs, I can't understand why you would not want to walk him with them if opportunity arises? It can only help build and maintain his confidence around them surely?
     
  10. rona

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    But he doesn't like it!!!!!
     
  11. ian1969uk

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    But he tolerates it at the moment.

    If you then avoid all other dogs because he doesn't like it, the risk is that he will not even tolerate it when he comes into contact with them again.

    I'd do a mix of walks where you stay pretty isolated and walks where you meet other dogs. A compromise of what he likes and what he needs.
     
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    You said he wasn't bothered?

    If you restrict his access to dogs, he may become nervous of them and that would be a shame as you have said he seems to have settled around them.


    But if you want to restrict his exposure to them and only walk him alone, that's up to you. I don't think you will be doing him any favours in the long run though.
     
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    I think if you do the socialisation thing properly from a pup then yes you should continue to put the dog in the sort of situations he is used to, to make sure he stays a well balanced dog.

    I knew someone who got a puppy, it was very well socialised, taken everywhere met everyone and everything, started growing into a well balanced dog. Then she became unwell and was not able to continue his care as well, the only person able to walk her dog was at night time.
    When she became well again she had a very difficult dog who needed re socialised as he had got used to solitary quiet walks and he was a problem for many months.


    If your dog is uncomfortable with certain few things then it would be possible and ok to avoid those certain things..... like my Dixie is scared of fallen wheelie bins and upside down brollies, but only when it is dark. So I avoid these things because no matter how many times we walk past them in the day, and work closer to them at night she freaks out and is on edge the whole walk if she has to walk by them at night. But then it has been something I have tried to work on and not succeeded.


    If your dog gets attacked or upset by another dog then people suggest getting your dog out and having lots of positive experiences with dogs, so that your dog cen get over the fright. If you suddenly stop going near other dogs afer your dog is attacked, it is going to get the message that dogs are scary.


    If it is an older dog who becomes unused to these situations and isnt coping well (and I am talking OAP dogs here) then I would be more inclined to avoid the situaitions (but only if it was possible to avoid the situations at All times) as I dont feel it fair on the dog to put him in situations where he is going to be stressed out for any period of time on purpose when they might not have long to live you would want to make them as happy all the time as you could.
     
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  14. rona

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    I really don't understand why he needs it? :confused:
    He greets most dogs fine, we may see 10 a week then other weeks none.
    If he walks on his own he's bouncing along interested in everything, if with other dogs it's like he's lost all joy and plods along beside me.
    What good is that doing him?
     
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    I think it depends on your dog.

    When you got Alfie maybe if he hadn't had much socialisation he was all curious and interested in other dogs. Now he knows what they entail he's not so bothered?

    Rupert got as much socialisation as I could give him as a youngster but there weren't masses of dogs about. He is quite keen to meet other dogs round here I think because we literally hardly see any. I get the impression if there were more available he probably wouldn't give much of a monkeys after a week or two.

    My uncle has started gardening for a few people on our road, one of them has a fox terrier little dog, another a labrador and another two staffies all on our road. I have never, ever seen those dogs go out for walks and none of them are old bar one of the owners with the little terrier. I think a lot really don't walk them...
     
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    Forgot to add

    If I had a dog that was a nightmare to manage when other dogs were involved..... say like my foster GSD who pulled, lunged, barked etc then I would want to work with them to make it less stressfull.

    But if I had a dog who was just happy to plod along and mind their own business then I would probably leave it as it was.

    Just because there is no guarantee you won't see any dogs around here, and I hate stresfull walks so to make it a bit harder work at first to then make it easier in the long run I think would be better.
     
  17. rona

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    I said he's not bothered as in he's not worried and doesn't interact.
    He's not the nervous type of dog, unlike many that have been highlighted here.
    If that were the case then I would think a little differently.
    I'm talking about fairly well balanced dogs that have reached maturity. What benefit is it to them if they don't particularly enjoy interaction anyway
     
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    I don't think it's important to seek out other dogs on every walk if you have a dog who is comfortable with other dogs.
    However I do think it's good to meet other dogs on occasion to maintain that positive attitude.
    It doesn't have to be playing around or even off lead - just walking past other dogs without reacting negatively to them.
    As it's pretty impossible to avoid all other dogs it's important to me that Zipper and Lilly are accapting of other dogs.
    Zipper and Lilly rarely want to play with other dogs - and I prefer walking and not meeting other dog walkers :eek: - however I do make sure I walk where there are other dogs sometimes otherwise I think Lilly would become nervous.
     
  19. Pineapple

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    I guess it's about what you want for your dog. If he doesn't really enjoy being with other dogs, it's not a big problem to leave it be so long as you don't want him to be with other dogs in the future, because it would likely make for a more stressful and unpleasant situation for him to deal with if he'd gone so long not having socialised. As other people say, there's also the potential for him developing some kind of aggressive or fearful response if the socialising isn't kept up - but if you're happy to avoid other dogs in the long term and it's not inconvenient, then so be it.

    If you do want him to stay tolerant of other dogs, or if you would like him actually develop a stronger positive association with being in their company, then it's perhaps not enough just to walk him with other dogs and have him grimly enduring it. Maybe you could play with a special toy the moment other dogs come on the scene, or do some clicker training that rewards him when other dogs are around, so over time he might be able to be his usual bouncing-along happy self in the company of other dogs, which would probably make him more content/relaxed all-round.
     
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    I think it depends. Some dogs are very sociable and gregarious and others more aloof preferring to keep themselves to themselves. I have one of each!

    Henri doesn't really enjoy the company of other dogs too much but I don't think it is healthy for him to live in a world where he wouldn't spend time with others of his own species. The more we walk and meet others the better he gets about it (we got him later in life and I don't think he was socialised or hardly walked at all). When I was ill and didn't get him out much over the course of about a month or so he noticeably regressed.

    Occasionally, not often, he will meet a dog who he likes and he gets such a lot of joy out having a play friend. He'll never be a "dogs' dog" but I think it's good for him to have those experiences instead of just retreating into isolation which he would do if it wasn't for me getting him out there if you know what I mean.
     
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