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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Summercat, Mar 23, 2021.


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  1. Summercat

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    A good reminder why dogs should be kept on leads in certain areas.:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lovers-mourn-death-Freddie-seal.html#comments

    As I understand from reading, the seal pup was well known in the area, so the dog walker was probably not unaware of him or other seals in the vicinity.
    It happened to be caught on camera by a man who was taking photos of the seal before the attack.

    I am sure there will be some who comment, it is the DM, but that does not change what happened.

    Just putting this out there as maybe a new dog/ puppy owner will think before letting their dog run off lead in the countryside or other areas with farm animals or wildlife.
     
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    A picture tells a thousand stories...


    It looks an accident to me. The woman and dog looks like they are in canicross gear possibly. Where the dogs role is to 'pull' the woman along whilst running. Has there been an equipment failure hence why she's picked up the dog rather than ram or walked off with dog attached to her. All this is a possibility. This is what I was reading from the photos
     
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    Just a warning to others that the pictures in your link might be graphic. I havent opened your link but it came up in my newsfeed this morning and i wish i hadnt seen:(
     
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    Aaaargh you made me look!!! Those pics arent as bad as the one i saw.
     
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    Siskin Look into my eyes....

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    As the police have said on the published pictures of the sheep, they felt they had to show the pictures as words don’t seem to get through to some dog owners.
    Interesting picture of the dog that was shot for sheep worrying. The caption says a husky, looks a bit like a wild dog type
     
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    So many sheep attacks going on :(
     
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    Oh poor little seal pup :(
    Anyone know why he had to be PTS? The bite photo I saw did not look that damaging?
     
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    Two sides to this.
    One, yes, people need to be far more careful about where they let their dogs off leash and if they let their dog off leash at all.

    That said though, accidents happen. I've had a dog kill a fawn that a mama deer had hidden in some tall grass. He was an old dog who couldn't run fast, he was meandering about the field I had no idea what he was doing until it was too late. As soon as I called him off, he came, but I had no idea the fawn was there. At least it was a clean, quick kill :(

    I do feel bad for the dog owner. For all we know it was a total accident and she feels awful. And on top of that, now she's splashed all over a national tabloid. Is the public shaming really necessary?
    My dogs have embarrassed me more times than I can count. I can't imagine having one of my worst days as a dog owner made public like that.
     
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    Yes, there was a report on a marine mammal site I use. The injury to the tissue around the flipper was worse than it looks .

    Ourselves and the experts at british divers marine life rescue have consulted several specialist marine and orthopedic vets and as we strongly suspected having taken xrays this morning the prognosis is extremely poor. Freddie's flipper is fractured and the joint dislocated. Seals do not take anaesthetic well as they have a dive reflex and don't breath. Although an attempt could be made to pin the fracture, it would be impossible to immobilise the limb to give it time to heal. More challenging is the dislocation which is not repairable. The flipper is very swollen and despite antibiotics and pain relief the seal is clearly very uncomfortable and reluctant to eat. We suspect the infection is spreading and with the other bite wounds to his body he is very miserable. At this stage we believe the only ethical and fair option we have is to end his suffering.
     
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    What a shame, poor seal. :(
    I do feel bad for the owner too, what an awful situation.

    I see people are trying to say that dogs should be on leash 100% of the time when on walks which imo is ridiculous considering there's a lot of responsible owners out there who don't deserve the backlash. It's just common sense to leash them around wildlife/livestock but I don't think that calls for leashing them up on the off chance a squirrel might pass by. :rolleyes:
     
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    https://www.facebook.com/southessexwildlife/posts/282156626602152

    I don't like the media backlash - according to people there, the owner did try to ask people to get the dog knowing it would likely be heading for the seal when it took off. The dog also apparently bit at least one person trying to remove him from the seal.

    It's very sad all round - I hope the owner was at least responsible and reported herself.

    Think it's becoming more of an issue - sheep attacks are on the rise, it's an issue every year for farmers when owners think it's fine for dogs to chase sheep... as well as wildlife attacks even in parks where wildlife are protected with signs to keep dogs on lead due to deer. I believe there are signs to keep dogs on lead where the seal was attacked? Perhaps people are naive enough to think their dog won't chase, injure or kill if given the opportunity.
     
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    So still no one knows exactly what happened, everywhere i read eyewitnesses start with running dog.. Woman shouting get the dog..

    As @O2.0 says accidents happen, equipment fails. I live in RAF land around here and in the past few years there have been terrible equipment failure.

    I never get people who deliberately don't follow signs. So many don't, and it's not just farmers livestock it can be walking through fields etc. It's definitely worse due to travel guidance, people feel they have a sense of entitlement and the pandemic.
     
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    I get accidents happen - it's a sad situation for all involved.

    Sadly it seems people have found out her identity and where she lives, it's been published online by DM - I don't agree with that.
     
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    Very sad :(

    The seal was featured on This Morning last week and was also involved in a rescue mission when a fish hook was removed from his muzzle.

    Even during that piece a dog approached the seal.

    It had taken up residence along that part of the estuary so I’m surprised there weren’t signs up telling people to keep dogs on lead (though ime that often makes no difference), given how vulnerable he would have been to approaching dogs.

    All those involved in his earlier rescue are devastated, understandably :(
     
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    Surely that can't be legal?! Poor woman, even if she is a total numpty of a dog owner does that warrant sharing her address to the world?! Jesus that's a complete safety issue!
    It has come to that here in all state parks because entitled jerkwads think they're above the rules and refuse to control their dogs. Some national parks don't allow dogs at all anymore, again because of the entitled dog owners who don't think the rules apply to them :mad:
     
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    I must admit, and I have said my piece about this specific incident. We just can't name and shame. We don't know the facts, eyewitness, 'pretending' eyewitnesses are never as good as people think. Yes I say pretending because people always lie!

    Anyway what I was going to say, people do tend to be stupid where I am with seals. It's very popular to go watch the baby seals in the winter at a nature reserve.. See nature reserve. There are always idiots turn up wanting to walk their dogs near the seals.. Lead or no leads.. Just a big fat no and they just don't get it. Blooming entitled!
     
  17. Sarah H

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    Sadly people can't be bothered to keep their dogs on leads for their dog's own safety (like next to roads or on the cliffs), let alone for anyone or anything else's safety.
    I am certainly not someone who wants dogs on leads everywhere. My dogs have chased things, done embarrassing things, been total ar$eholes, had leads break etc, but I would always leash them if that's what the rules of wherever I'm walking ask for, and if I thought we were near livestock etc.
    I do think this was an accident, but I hope it makes people think about what their dog could do (her's looks like a little spanielly type thing?)
     
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    I thought Patterdale, which would account for the prey drive.
     
  19. O2.0

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    Looked a little big for a patterdale to me, but I too thought terrier of some sort.
     
  20. StormyThai

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    Of course there was a "It could be a child next" within the fail article :rolleyes:
    Interesting that if that was a cat "attacking" a wild animal then it probably wouldn't have made the paper...but dogs are expected to completely forget about what species they are and become this saintly being :Shifty


    Whilst I agree that so many more people should leash their dogs due to zero recall, especially around prey...but honestly this looks like an very, very unfortunate accident...
    Probably a very unpopular opinion but considering just how many times this young seal had to be rescued during his short life then my guess is there was much more going on with this chap than many would like to admit.



    It won't be too much longer before we get harsher leash laws due to the outcry of "Think of the children" :(
    It's a sad situation :(
     
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