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Doggy feeding advice | Upset tummy

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by Jordi0703, Jun 24, 2019.


  1. Jordi0703

    Jordi0703 PetForums Newbie

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    Hello... so I have a gorgeous collie cross (called Skye) who just turned 1 at the beginning of June... when we rescued her at 10 weeks we were told to feed her on wainwrights which is hypoallergenic, grain free etc and we had always heard great reports and we haven't had any issues with her food until almost 2 months ago.

    We had got Skye into a doggie day care after months of trying to find the perfect care centre that we would feel confident leaving her from 9-5 for two days a week for lots of socialisation, play and walks ... she had two trial days before being accepted to ensure she would fit in and get along with the other dogs etc Skye was accepted as she got along great with the other dogs and just loved the staff however, after two weeks she came home one day with a very bad stomach - we put it down to her getting her paws on some food that she shouldn't have however, after a phone call to her doggie day care they ensured us that there's no food on premises unless brought in with individual dogs but even then there is no way any dog could get near it and no treats are given. We then thought it could have potentially been stress related around other dogs. I had phoned the vet and asked for their advice and they recommended that we fast her for 8-12 hours and slowly introduce her food along with some rice and boiled chicken - small amounts but frequently. After 72 hours of not much improvement and numerous phone calls we were given antibiotics and two courses of a probiotic paste which lasted almost a week.

    Thankfully we did see improvement and her stools did firm up over time and take some shape but never fully back to normal. We revisited the vet again just last week as this time we had a case of conjunctivitis and I wanted to ask about her stomach as we still weren't fully back to normal even though Skye was acting completely normal - drinking the usual, showing interest in her food and of course LOTS of energy. The vet has now told us to change her food to James Wellbeloved Fish & Rice which is also a hypoallergenic brand however, I have heard mixed reports about this brand and we don't understand going from one hypoallergenic brand to another (JW also has gluten which Wainwrights didn't so this will be an introduction of something new).

    We would love to hear peoples thoughts / advice... if any other dog owners have had similar issues with their dogs ... I really just don't want to mess her stomach about by introducing a new food if she isn't going to agree with it and we end up taking a step back.

    Apologies for the length of this post - I have been known to go on a bit.
     
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    lullabydream PetForums VIP

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    James beloved can't have gluten if it says hypoallergenic on the packet...

    The problem with things like doggy day care is often dogs get highly stressed, sent to places like this with upset stomachs because people don't worry when they should and therefore you can get in a vicious circle of picking up bugs.

    I would personally follow your vets advice, it might help having fish as a protein or it might not make a difference at all.
     
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    Arden Grange sensitive is fish based but with potatoe not rice
     
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    Jwb is a well regarded brand as far as i know. I can only give my experience. I always had my cats on jwb but when my tt was a pup, he came to us on Royal Canin and he was itchy as anything.

    Went through umpteen foods to no avail. Then, in error, i ordered jwb dog food instead of cat food online. Instead of returning it, i tried it on my tt. Success! The itching stopped completely. Problem was, my tt really did not like jwb kibble. So we had a situation where he was only eating every second day.

    So i found a more palatable comparable food at The Natural Dog Food Company. He did well on that for years. Just this year, I moved him to Vet's Kitchen and he does well on that too.

    I would give JWB a go if i were you. The tins will likely be more palatable than the kibble though.
     
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    If it were me I would not be looking to change food. You’ve proven how well Wainwrights suits Skye. Food change puts tummy under stress. Can take up to 6 weeks to fully adjust and could you more problems.
    I would give her a bland diet of chicken or fish with rice or potato. Keep her on it until you’ve had consistent firm output for a good few days. Possibly a week. Then gradually mix in a few soaked Wainwrights kibbles. Soaked makes it easier to digest. If you hit a problem, go back to the combination that was successful and start again.
    I had dreadful problems with Heidi at about the same age. Constantly trying to find food that suited made her tummy more sensitive. The more sensitive her tummy became the more difficult to resolve.
    Bionic Biotics supplement was our life line in the end. Prior to that we were back at the vet regularly for months.
    There is a possibility her tum won’t settle on wainwright's as it’s been upset using it. However, a few soaked kibbles will soon tell you and then you’ll have to change food. Go back to the bland diet and decide on a food to gradually transition over.
    You may have to stick to solely one food for treats - everything for a good while The tiniest tidbit would put Heidi back to square one.
    Vets don’t have a lot of training in nutrition so I would go with your instinct. If you need to change food Ness the nutritionist at Arden Grange is amazing. She gives really good unbiased advice and will send you samples to try. If she feels Arden Grange won’t help, she will tell you. I would definitely chose that over JWB. I believe it was bought by one of the big company’s that make a variety of brands.
    Just my thoughts but I know how awful I felt when we went through it.
    Hope Skye’s tum settles very soon for you
     
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    I totally agree with you - I have trouble understanding how people can send their dogs into environments when they are ill which is where we picked up the latest case of conjunctivitis, I like to think that we are responsible enough and haven had Skye back as we didn't want any other dogs to catch it.

    It states on the pack hypoallergenic but in the ingredients it has barley listed but no percentage given and years ago when I worked in a restaurant in my teens I remember a customer saying she was gluten free and couldn't have barley ... I could be wrong but I've always known barley to contain gluten. Skye was on Lamb & Rice and before the vet had mentioned fish we had a friend who had recommended trying her on a fish diet as it had made a difference to their two pups. I just wish dogs could speak and tell us exactly what's wrong with them.
     
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    Since Skye was a pup her evening feed has always been us soaking her kibble and mashing it up and stuffing it in her kong - for the last week we haven't soaked it just to see if that would make any difference. We actually got our hands on a probiotic powder by Pooch & Mutt which came highly recommended and is known as miracle dust to several customers (or so I was told) - although we were told it would be best to switch the food first to see if it makes a difference and if not then to use the probiotic powder so we would know if it had a benefit over the food.

    I will definitely look into Arden Grange - and yes I was aware that JWB had been bought over and the brands linked are brands that I always hear bad reports about for using cheap fillers etc which is why I am a little hesitant to switch foods.

    Thank you - I hope it settles soon too! :)
     
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    Yes you are right I was thinking wheat...wheat, soya and beef make a food hypoallergenic as they are the main allergens to dogs.

    Grains aren't necessarily bad, unless your dog have an intolerance or allergen to them. However your dog could also have an allergen to a protein source such as beef, chicken, fish. It all depends on the dog.

    Dogs are scavengers by nature and although somewhere like here you probably hear about my dog is allergic, intolerant to this that and the other in the big scheme of thing, many dogs survive and thrive happily on cereal heavy with foods contain a lot of supposed allergens without a care in the world.
     
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    Ah i didnt realize it had been bought over when i replied to you earlier. . .
     
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    Don't get too hung up on supposed quality food. One of the best would horrify the food purists ;)

    Also, one of only two foods (along with the super food;)) that our Chessie could eat in his later years was JWB fish and rice. He had one of the most sensitive tummies ever..................

    Good food is what suits your dog
     
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    I would start the Bionic Biotics immediately. The good bacteria will probably make the world of difference and help her get back on track whatever you feed her.
     
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    I sympathise as I had a collie with dreadful food intolerance all her life. The only non-veterinary food she could tolerate was Arden Grange Sensitive ocean white fish and potato, which suited her well for a number of years, although in the end she had Purina HA (dreadful stuff but it worked)

    At the moment two of my collies are fed Arden Grange sensitive because as a breed they do tend to have iffy stomachs.

    You can purchase Protexin Prokolin from any of the online veterinary chemists and it's much cheaper than from your vet. I use Viovet or Animed Direct (both excellent and reliable companies). I always keep at least one tube in the dog's medical cupboard. I also keep a tub of Dorwest tree bark powder, just in case of diarrhoea as it's very good for settling upset tums.
     
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    Jordi0703 PetForums Newbie

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    We have used the protein prokolin before but were told that the bionic biotic had a higher percentage of good bacteria and was more successful but time will tell - we have just started it so two days in and no signs of improvement YET but didn't expect immediate results. I will be searching for Dorwest tree bark powder and purchasing some of that also - our dogs medical box is now bigger than our own.
     
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