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Dog lovers registration club a con?

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by GizmoMogwai01, Feb 7, 2018.


  1. GizmoMogwai01

    GizmoMogwai01 PetForums Junior

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    Anyone can write a pedigree.

    It is simply a record of the ancestry of a pup.

    Unfortunately, from an unscrupulous Breeder, it can be total fantasy.
     
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    A pedigree is basically just a family tree; a record of lineage.
    Someone could draw out a family tree on a scrap of paper and it'd be a pedigree.

    That said, this registry in particular is not exactly reputable. Any dog could be registered as anything and whole lines could be twisted or fabricated entirely.
    The Kennel Club is not infallible, things can still be forged, but in general its a much more reliable, 'official' system. If the breed is a KC registerable breed and is not registered with the Kennel Club, you really need to ask yourself why...
     
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    Only the Breeder can register pups.

    Pups cannot be registered unless both parents are registered.
     
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    In order to register pups with the Kennel Club, you have to give details of their breeding.

    If requested, the Kennel Club will then produce pedigrees.

    However, a Breeder can write up pedigrees, which I used to do, but, a reputable Breeder would have no reason to falsify pedigrees.

    It's really all about choosing your Breeder when buying a pup.
     
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    I think there used to be a couple of these weird clubs that you can register with. No idea what there is now. So long as it is made clear that is just a registration for the sake of it rather than meaning anything then it is fine. There used to be (probably still is) a register for spotted horse and ponies that meant nothing - as well as the proper breed registers that meant a lot. It could be misleading but if you did your homework and knew what it meant or didnt mean it was still nice to have a registered pony.
     
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    The dog lovers club is totally miss named it is used by puppy farmers and backyard breeders so they can sell their pups as registered
     
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    As already mentioned a pedigree is simply a history. It is not a sign of "quality" which is what many believe it to be. If the kennel club made an effort to correct this misconception...
     
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    Plenty of puppy farmers and BYBs register their puppies with the KC too. As @Goblin says KC registration is not remotely any kind of guarantee when it comes to finding decent breeders.
     
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    In all honesty its not worth the impressive looking paper work that you obtain when you register and its written on. You can register any dog, adult or puppies with no previous pedigree or history at all. All they need to be is "pedigree" but with no previous knowledge of the lines, or a genuine pedigree to start off with how can anyone be 100% sure.

    The only registration that is worth anything would be Kennel club registration, and or a pedigree certificate.
     
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    From what I understand it's a way backyard breeders/puppy farmers can con prospective owners that their puppies are registered. It's pretty much the same con as breeders of cross breeds use saying the puppies are registered with the Kennel Club. Not on the breed register but on the activity register but most people don't understand the difference.
     
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    While the KC registration system isn't perfect, it's still infinitely preferable to something like DLRC, who register anything & everything.

    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere they're linked to a certain dog retail establishment with branches in Manchester & Leeds that shall remain nameless.
     
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    Why when a registry is a registry? So long as the parents are in the system, the kennel club will register anything so has nothing to do with good genes or the breeder. There is nothing "superior" in a "pedigree breed" or "kennel club recognised breed" by default when compared to other dogs.
     
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    I'm sure there is more to it than that? At least here in states, we have these types of registries too. People advert registered then come to find they are not getting what they thought they were, that's on them not doing the research but they see the word papers and assume.... now it might not be better by defualt bad breeders exist that use bigger name registries but I think the difference would be in your ability to better research pedigree / info and to know that the pedigree is likely legit rather than made up or incorrect. He AKC list health test info on ancestors and you can research generations and information online, so you have a better idea.
    I think registry and pedigree are just a starting point, but obviously probably all breeders / dogs in certain registries are mill/byb vs a legit registry won't all be good but you can find quality in it unlike the other guys.
     
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    The majority of "buyers" cannot care less about the ancestory. "pedigree" papers are used simply as a marketing tool by many pushing the idea that it is something more than it acutally is. Don't get me started on breeding for health when it comes to things like the kennel club. 10 years since pedigree dogs exposed and the Kennel Club is still pushing looks which lead to unhealthy dogs.
     
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    Let me guesse the bad place.
     
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