Further to the Malinois thread, I realised whilst having the same old discussion for the 46th time this month with a fellow dog walker that I really undersell dobermanns as a breed and do my level best to put people off of them. I tend to get a lot of people ask about them when I'm out with just Maude doing training ask round distractions (oddly no one asks when she is throwing a shit-fit because they've let their dog run up to her￼ ) My experience with Maude (duel working and show strain bred) and a variety of others (mostly WL, some imports, some show animals) is that by and large, they're not easy dogs at all. They're head strong, stubborn, powerful and tend towards reactivity which needs constant management. They live very much with a "well, what's in it for me?" attitude and aren't fond of lots of repetitions in training. They can get easily frustrated if you up criteria too fast and then they simply stop trying. Maude has a good settle but many of the others I've spent time around seem to find it very hard to chill out and need to constantly pace from one room to another. Maude will get "grabby" if she gets frustrated, usually if I'm not quick enough throwing her ball reward when she decides she's done something right/has finished what was asked of her. I'm working hard on that right now because she WILL and has grabbed my hands, arms and on one awful occasion, my right tit because she's frustrated and I'm not being quick enough. Conversely, a friend has a BYB bred dobe that is very un-dobermann like to me and I know a couple of people with show dobes who are quite honestly almost like black and tan labradors and nothing like WL dobes at all. Logan is a different kettle of fish entirely and I regularly suggest lurchers (specific cross depending... I can't imagine suggesting a saluki x Bedlington as a first time dog for example!) as a good fit for families. He is from a long line of working dogs, his dad being a WL border collie x greyhound and his mum a working saluki with some greyhound in the background x WL border collie. Logan is technically much more collie than most lurchers are and it shows. He is super fast of brain and if I were a more capable trainer, I'd probably be able to teach him to mow the lawn and take the rubbish out... He loves to learn and seemingly enjoys performing. He'll sometimes offer random behaviours to see if it's something that will get him a treat and we can shape into something specific. He's very in tune with me and people in general and will behave accordingly. Despite being rather intense, he has very few vices and those he has got are easily managed with minimal effort. He was a pretty difficult puppy looking back at it but that's no great surprise given his breed mix. Frankly, puppies and teenagers ARE difficult and no one should expect anything different. The saluki and collie elements were most obvious through adolescence and he is a lot more 'sharp' than most people realise because he's expected to be calm and well behaved. I can handle him anywhere and everywhere but I tend to muzzle him if he is injured and needs a vet because he WILL get his teeth out if he thinks someone is overstepping their bounds (he's never bitten, but will air snap worryingly close to skin). I consider lurchers in general to be fairly easy dogs, especially once past the juvenile delinquent phase but obviously they're highly variable cross depending so it's hard to generalise. So do you sell your breed to people or steer them away? Do you consider your breed difficult or easy? Why?