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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Koola Adams, May 18, 2020.


  1. Koola Adams

    Koola Adams PetForums Newbie

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    My partner and I have been searching for quite a while for a Cavapoo puppy. We finally had an answer from a breeder after many ignored messages and phonecalls. We communicated with her via phone and Whatsapp. We were on the verge of putting down a deposit. The seller's ad had several lovely photos..but regretably I found out that one of the puppies featured was a photo of a Cavapoo called Cooper who lives in Michigan USA and not in the West of England. I was also dubious when the buyer said that the puppy had no vaccinations or health check, stating that the Covid19 situation had made it difficult and that we needed to do it ourselves. The seller was asking for over £3000 for the male puppy.
    Very disappointed and upset. It is becoming increasingly impossible to find a little puppy to make our lives complete. Navigating through the many adverts and finding the right breeder is quite difficult and also the prices have jumped to a ridiculous high. One breeder was selling his F1 puppy for £4000.
    By the way I'm a newby , so hello all. :):(
     
  2. Siskin

    Siskin Look into my eyes....

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    I should wait a while, once everyone goes back to work full time they will probabaly be dumping young pups into rescue.

    To pay £3000 for a crossbred dog is ridiculous, most purebred dogs are much cheaper
     
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  3. Koola Adams

    Koola Adams PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks Siskin. I believe you are right. I think people are taking advantage of the high demand.
     
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    Also, these sorts of crosses are real money makers for puppy farmers, because they are popular.

    Please have a read through this -

    https://www.petforums.co.uk/threads/could-you-spot-a-puppy-farm.517808/

    Finding a good cavapoo breeder could be quite difficult. Cavaliers in particular can suffer from some really nasty congenital conditions (heart problems, syringomyelia) that good breeders try to eliminate through responsible breeding like carrying out health tests and careful selection of parents. Good breeders do tests on their breeding dogs (proper tests, not just checks to say the dog is capable of siring/carrying a litter) to breed out these conditions. Unfortunately as well as puppy farmers who are more interested in exploiting buyers than the long term health of the puppies they are selling; there are pet owners who think it would be lovely to have mini versions of their own pets but lack the understanding of responsible breeding.

    It used to be believed that crossbreeds had the best of both breeds and health problems were 'bred out' but in fact you could well get a puppy who has inherited health defects from both parents. So crossing, for example, a cavalier with a poodle, you could get a puppy who has heart problems from the cavalier side and hip dysplasia from the poodle side. Both sides could have eye problems these could cause long term pain and distress to the dog and the owner to incur on going expensive vet bills.

    Marilyn Munro allegedly once suggested to Albert Einstein that if they had babies they would be amazing with her beauty and his brains. Einstein allegedly replied how awful it would be if it were the other way round. You get the picture!

    There are some responsible breeders of crossbreeds and that is a good thing. But they are very few and you may have to search extensively to find one.

    Have you considered a poodle? That would give you the qualities you want with far less risk. If it is the look of the traditional poodle that puts you off, they can be left in a shaggy clip that has the look of the popular crossbreeds.
     
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  5. Siskin

    Siskin Look into my eyes....

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    They are without a doubt, I’m glad you realised in time. I’ve heard of a KC ABS breeder (allegedly the gold standard). Who suddenly withdrew the litter of puppies that all had prospective owners waiting to go and get their puppy, and re advertised them at a much higher price
     
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    Koola Adams PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks JoanneF very sound advice. Yes I am considering a poodle.
     
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    Champdogs is a responsible website, might be worth a look. Even if there are no puppies right now, you could get in touch with breeders, make yourselves known to them, and perhaps go on a list for future litters.
     
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    £3000 is outrageous for any puppy.

    Never, ever put down a deposit on a puppy you haven't seen. Any conscientious Breeder who cares about her pups will want to meet you and be sure you're a good match for one of her puppies.

    I would never have sold a pup to someone I hadn't met.
     
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    I was looking at poodles the other day. I look periodically but could not believe my eyes at the hike in the price. What is going on. But £3000 for any pup let alone a crossbreed it just ridiculous.

    @Rafa Not sure what breeders do at the moment as travelling to fetch a pup is not acceptable let alone travelling to meet the breeder. It is probably better not to breed or to buy at the moment.
     
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    With any puppy, you MUST see it at the home it was bred in with the mother; that's now law for pups under 6 months of age.
     
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    I'd wait until you can visit a breeder and see the puppies with their mother. Paying anything like £3000 for a cross breed is just crazy, I think you would get a well bred poodle for much less than that.
     
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    I should hope so, till recently £900 would be expensive for a health tested one. My dogs are 11 and coming up 10, I do hope the prices go back down before I need to start looking seriously.
     
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    I was starting to look earlier this year but decided to put it off until Coronavirus was a distant memory or controlled. Some breeds are twice the price (sometimes more) compared to what they were in January and February.

    If this continues the only pets I will be able to afford are hamsters and rabbits
     
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    Give it a few weeks, there will likely be loads of pups and young dogs in rescue when people have to go back to work and realise what they have taken on.
     
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