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Differences between breeders

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by low-key Loki, Sep 7, 2017.


  1. low-key Loki

    low-key Loki Proud parent of nine dashingly furry babies

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    Hey! So in no way possible will I ever be a breeder especially when there is all those upadopted dogs :( but I was wondering what is the difference between breeders? What labels a breeder as a backyard puppy farmer and responsible ethical breeder.

    Just curious not ever making my babies pregnant. They are already spayed and neutered. If I'm in any way I will ever make an addition to my family will be to adopt from the shelters or pound.

    So yeah. Just curious about the labels. Not that I will ever call myself one nor will I be in the practice.
     
  2. FeelTheBern

    FeelTheBern They don't like it up 'em, sir!

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    Backyard breeders are in the business purely for the money. Because of this, they don't tend to be knowledgeable, and breed together dogs without performing the recommended health tests/checks. As a result of this, dogs produced by backyard breeders are often suffering from severe health conditions. Backyard breeders are also known to produce so-called "designer crossbreeds" because they look cute and sell quickly.
    A responsible breeder, however, breeds for ethical reasons-not for profit. They will select the healthiest specimens for breeding-these dogs will have had all recommended health tests. This helps them to maintain a good standard for their breed, by producing high quality dogs that will be suitable for professional showing and/or breeding.
     
  3. ouesi

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    It makes more sense to me to put breeders on a spectrum.
    On one end you have the worst of the worst puppy farmers, and on the other end are breeders who do everything right from the most minute aspect of pedigree research, have their dogs independently evaluated, above and beyond health testing, early stimulation and training, keep up with every litter and know their lines inside out and backwards, work tirelessly in the breed improving the breed overall and helping out others for the benefit of the dogs in general.

    Ideally breeders lean heavily towards the awesome breeder part of the spectrum.

    Some things like health testing are non negotiables, but just because a breeder ticks that box, doesn't make them ethical or responsible. It's the overall picture.

    The truth is, there are far more breeders out there doing it wrong than there are those doing it right. So hats off to anyone genuinely attempting to do it right.
     
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  4. low-key Loki

    low-key Loki Proud parent of nine dashingly furry babies

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    Ohhhhhh i get it now. Thanks guys!!! :)
     
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  5. Blitz

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    I would agree up to a point but on here everyone that breeds their pet dog seems to be classed as a backyard breeder. I think there are good and bad on every scale but the breeders that do it the way some on here like to see are very much in the minority. Most are probably the odd litter from a pet dog, probably without testing and probably without a lot of knowledge but often producing nice pets that suit the majority of the market. Your average dog owner wants a puppy when they are ready for it, hopefully locally and for a sensible price. Whether that is right or wrong is a matter of opinion but I think it is a fact.
     
  6. miljar

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    Very well put.
     
  7. SpicyBulldog

    SpicyBulldog PetForums VIP

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    Good post, but don't think ALL byb are in it for the money. As I consider people who breed their pet because they think she has a great personality or want one just like her a byb, even if they give all pups away to family/ friends.
     
  8. FeelTheBern

    FeelTheBern They don't like it up 'em, sir!

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    Not all, but a fair few of them are in it just for the money.
     
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    I wonder why people on here consider it wrong to be in it for the money. Breeding of every other animal is for money and the majority of dog breeders will be wanting money at the end and we are all prepared to pay money for our puppies. To be successful you have to put a lot of care and time into breeding but money is still an issue or else puppies would not be so expensive to buy.
     
  10. Katalyst

    Katalyst A Lanky Lurcher and a Delinquent Dobermann

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    On paper I have no qualms at all about someone making money from breeding puppies.
    The problem is, it seems that in many (perhaps most) cases, those making money are doing so because they're cutting corners, not forking out for expensive health tests, providing minimal worming, feeding low quality food, not putting effort in to early socialisation.

    I don't consider 'people who make some profit' and 'awful breeder' to be mutually exclusive. Not at all. But it does seem like those who do it to the very top standard will always be out of pocket or barely breaking even.
     
  11. labradrk

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    I have no problem with a good breeder making some money. They put so much into the litter financially (health tests, titling if applicable, travelling to the stud, providing top quality care for the bitch etc) that they need to recoup costs and if they make extra, good for them.

    That is a bit different to someone to puts their Labrador to their mates Poodle with none of the above and then charges £900 a pup.
     
  12. SpicyBulldog

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    Probably because people on here care about the individual dogs involved as well as the breeds being harmed.
    Breeding for money not only can be negative for the dogs/litter involved in the breeders care when they are possibly neglected there is also selling realty young or selling at 8 weeks to brokers, no one is going to make sure they get good homes. When you don't breed for temperament and health your more likely to see these issues, which the dog and new owners must deal with. Then in the long run it hurts the breed to have these representatives out there and in the gene pool.
     
  13. low-key Loki

    low-key Loki Proud parent of nine dashingly furry babies

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    But what would bring someone to the point of being a puppy farmer. What type of person would do such a thing? Are they really that desperate for money that they put a dog through all that? How can you determine someone is a puppy farmer if they seem like a responsible breeder?
     
  14. SpicyBulldog

    SpicyBulldog PetForums VIP

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    I think it isn't difficult to determine.
    A commercial breeder (puppy farmer or puppy mill) keeps a large number of dogs, numerous breeds and raises them in chattle conditions. These breeders range from a small personal "puppy farm" an individual with too many dogs, kept like livestock, various breeds and puppies available all the time, some sell to the general public. Big commercial breeders have large breeding facility, staff and dogs lack a quality of life though they are usually not in poor condition physical condition. It is a business like any other. They produce 100s, 1000s of puppies which go to brokers, some get auctioned, brokers sell dogs to pet stores and some might also sell to general public (the person you buy your puppy from won't be the breeder on the papers). Puppy mills might also sell directly to pet stores. Primarily at least in US with big puppy farms the dogs go to brokers, then pet stores. Don't buy from pet store. The smaller puppy mills will sell at flea markets, newspaper/ online ads, ads on their vehicles directly to you. Avoid any unscrupulous breeder and you 100% will avoid a mill. Mills don't health test, show or compete in anything else. Sometime they have registered dogs with a reputable registry, but any breeder you see with a less legit or mill associated reg should be avoided.
     
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