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Crap night at agility... what's her problem?

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Tigerneko, Mar 28, 2011.


  1. Tigerneko

    Tigerneko PetForums VIP

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    sorry for the long rant but I am really annoyed with the trainer :(

    I turned up to the class 5 minutes late as we were stuck behind a tractor half the way there. when we got there, the trainer sent me and Tiger over to go over two hurdles and the tyre jump along with some people who had never been before... everyone else who was there before were sent on to do the rest of the course and start on the dog walk which we hadn't done yet. I felt like it was some sort of punishment for turning up late :confused:

    then she kept making little jibes at us in front of everyone, like "for those of you who were late" ...even though there was only me and Tiger who turned up a little bit late :rolleyes: and also they weren't doing anything that I could have missed, so I don't see why she had to keep saying it?

    As well as that, I haven't been able to let Tiger off lead (which we weren't supposed to be doing until next week anyway) to do the course yet and everyone else's oh-so-perfect dogs are trotting around off their leads... so she took great pleasure in constantly reminding me and everyone else in the class that Tiger wasn't off lead yet and probably wouldn't be for some time :(

    And as if that wasn't good enough, when we were doing the final go around the course (which she kept reminding us that it's not about speed, it's about accuracy & making sure you do the right course) and she sent me & Tiger around last. We got to the last 2 jumps of the course and she decided to pipe up with "Go like nobody is watching, it's alright - the spotlight isn't on you or anything, not like we're all waiting for you!" :( :( :( I hadn't even thought about anyone else watching us until she said that, then I realised that everyone WAS watching and I felt like a total idiot :( :(

    Now, she wasn't making these little remarks at anyone else... I don't understand what her problem seems to be? She knows I work until 6pm (the class starts at 7) so struggle to get there in time unless I really rush. She knows Tiger's recall isn't great and she knows he is funny with other dogs and that I am not happy to have him off lead around them all... so why is she saying all this stuff?

    I didn't pay £50 for the course to be insulted and made to feel like an idiot... if I hadn't already paid for it then I wouldn't be going back after tonight.

    Should I have a word with her about it?
     
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  2. shibby

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    Woah! That sounds like very unfair treatment. I think I would have said something to her in the class, so kudos to you for being patient. If she starts with the jibes next lesson I would definitely have a word. I know one of the trainers we've been to was funny about people turning up late and would really let you know she wasn't happy. I don't know if your age has anything to do with it? Her thinking she can treat you almost like a child :confused: Aside from the silly humans, how did Tiger find the session? Is he benefiting from the classes?
     
  3. babycham2002

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    Thats really out of order like shibby said you done very well for keeping your cool.
    If it starts again next time definitely take her aside and say something.
    That is most definitely not on when you are paying for someones services.

    :mad:
     
  4. Tigerneko

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    Thanks :)

    Well if she has a problem with us turning up late then she's had plenty of time to say something cos I emailled her before the course even started and told her that I might not always make it on time due to work and she seemed fine with it. The OH said he might just pick Tiger up from my house first next week and then pick me up from work so we can go straight there, we will get there about 6:20 so that should shut her up :p

    Maybe it is something to do with my age but there's one or two people of a similar age to me there and they seem to get away without anything being said!

    I honestly think it's just her being unprofessional tbh. She takes 3 dogs with her every week - 2 little dogs that are kept in little cat carriers for the whole hour and don't come out - the dogs spend the whole hour yapping, whining and scratching at the sides of the boxes whilst she ignores them and a Collie type that she keeps tied to a post in the ground. That one also goes mad, barking, whining, yapping and digging holes all round where it's tied to, pulling at the post and tonight resorted to chewing up a wooden/cork notice board that someone else ended up having to try and coax out of it's mouth because the trainer totally ignored it! I couldn't go near to take the board off the dog because I had Tiger with me.

    .....and she wonders why I don't want to let Tiger off?? The whole lesson, Tiger and some of the others were constantly being distracted by her bloomin dogs, Tiger was pulling like mad on his lead to get at them and he kept barking and whining back at them.

    So tbh I don't think he is benefiting from the classes all that much :( I bought my own agility set for the garden after seeing how much he enjoyed it last week and he is fantastic at that, but at the classes there's just too many distractions and I can't get him to work to his full ability :(
     
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  5. Eroswoof

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    You're paying for a service - and not to be treated like that. If you were treated like that in a shop you'd ask to speak to the manager and (assuming this is her own business) she really should have a bit more sense.

    Bad trainer lady. Get her to some socilaisation classes hen :thumbup:

    Big hug

    Em
    xx
     
  6. Tigerneko

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    Thanks :)

    I didn't really think too much about it whilst we were there cos I was concentrating on Tiger but I did keep picking up bits of things. It wasn't until we were leaving the class and my OH (who was sat watching) also said he'd picked up on the same things she'd said.

    I was telling my mum about it all earlier and she told me to confront her in front of the rest of the class about it if she does it again next week.... embarrass her in front of them all just like she's done with me! I am more than happy to do it :D :D
     
  7. shibby

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    Sounds like a mad house! I'm not surprised the dogs are distracted. She doesn't sound very professional and she really has no excuse for treating you the way she did. I bet she was all nice as pie until she got her mitts on the cash. How many more sessions are left on your course? Like Eroswoof said, she sounds in need of some socialisation classes herself :p
     
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    It all sounds a bit hectic. Just a point, how do you react to her 'jibes'. It might be that she is meaning them in a friendly way and doesnt see how you hate it. If she is slightly unsure of herself it may be a defense mechanism. If you smile at her she might well think you are ok with it and taking it as a joke. I have to admit I do that sometimes to people that I think it works with but maybe I get it wrong sometimes - I dont do it to the extent that you describe but my neighbour actually does, she will pick on one person and make constant comments that border on the offensive though I am sure half the time she doesnt mean anything by it.

    It is good to practice agility in your garden but you really need to be going to a class and getting over him being distracted because obviously you need to be able to control him when there is no other dogs. Do you use a toy to get his attention focused on you. Her dogs would drive me mad and I might well be tempted to tell her I wasnt coming back because of them, rather than the jibes.
    Maybe you would be better to enrol on an obedience class first where dogs will be less excited and wound up.

    I used to teach agility for pet dogs but now I go to someone else's class and am amazed that there are only a handful of dogs that can be let off the lead. When I used to take classes there was so seldom a dog on the lead.
     
  9. Cleo38

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    Are you sure she doesn't think she is being funny? Some people have a starnge sense of humour. If she really is getting at you then I think you should confront her, maybe if she makes a remark have a reply ready for her. People like that do not like being shown up & usually rely on their 'victim' not making a scene.

    I had to do something similar with a stand-in trainer at our obedience classes. I had a few remarks from her during the class which I tolerated until near the end when I answered her back. Her manner completely changed towards me for the remainder of the class.
     
  10. Twiggy

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    Oh dear poor you.

    Can we just look at it from another point of view though. I run classes here; not agility although I have in the past. Last Wednesday we were outside because it was a nice day and now the ground has dried up I'm allowing cars onto the paddock.
    We started with sendaway (two sets of markers across the field) but had to stop after the first 10 minutes for a latecomer to drive into the field. Five minutes later another latecomer turns up so we stop again. They decide to leave their car in the yard with the engine running whilst they visit the WC. So the rest of the class are waiting yet another 10 minutes for them to actually drive onto the field.
    It can be quite difficult if you have structured the class and people arrive late and in fact I do ask that poeple ring me beforehand if they know they will be late arriving.

    As regards your instructors attitude; to humiliate you in front of the class is deplorable. Any form of dog training with pet dogs should be fun for both dog and handler in my view and we certainly have a lot of laughs here.
     
  11. Tigerneko

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    We're only on week 2 and theres like another 6 or 7 weeks left yet so it's not like i've got my money's worth out of it!

    I didn't really react at all to what she was saying, half of the time I was too embarrassed to! I'm not the most quick-witted of people but i've got a whole week to think of plenty of replies for her next time.

    I'm not really doing it to get to competition level or anything, it'd be nice to but I don't think he's cut out for it. I am just doing it because he's an active little dog and I knew we'd both enjoy it. Tbh I wish i'd just bought the garden equipment and not bothered with the classes. He is almost perfect at home, but there are just too many distractions at the class. again, I explained to her before we started the course that his recall isn't brilliant and he's not always good with other dogs so the lead would have to stay on - she didn't make an issue of it then.

    I used a toy last week but he is obsessed and very possessive over toys. All he did was jump up at me and kept barking for it. At one point last week, the trainer wasn't concentrating on her dog and it jumped at Tiger and tried to snatch his toy out of his mouth! luckily she pulled her dog away quickly enough otherwise all hell would've let loose :( so I can't really use a toy because he is just TOO focused on the toy - the jumps & obstacles are just something in the way of getting the toy. He was sending the jumps flying everywhere and knocking everything over because he just wanted the ball.

    This week I tried with food and although he works for the food perfectly at home (far better because there's no craziness trying to get the toy) it's not 'interesting' enough for him at training. He'll go over the jumps for it but I doubt he'd stay near me if one of her dogs started going bananas.

    We have already done obedience classes and he settled fine with the dogs eventually. Also, the classes are only fun so I don't understand why he HAS to be off-lead. We are having plenty of fun on lead.... I doubt any of us would be having much fun if we had to spend the night peeling him away from her dogs.

    I think she does think she's being funny. The remark about everyone watching me was probably meant to be funny but after everything else that'd been said, it just wasn't so funny any more. I've got a whole week to think of stuff to say back so i'll be well prepared next week :thumbup:

    But this is what I can't understand. We were 5 minutes late. Everyone else was just having a general little go around the course before they started properly. The trainer was still sat to one side with one of the newbies still registering her dog & filling out paperwork so there's no possible way we could have missed anything important. We slipped in pretty quietly and didn't distract anyone from anything - she wouldn't even have noticed we were late if I hadn't been polite (or perhaps daft) enough to apologise for being a little bit late :(

    someone also turned up half way through the class - nothing was said to them. We had dogs off lead and they just opened the door and strolled in - and didn't bolt the door behind them! Again another reason why I wasn't for letting Tiger off. I could understand if we'd turned up at 7:30 and she'd had to stop the other dogs from what they were doing but nothing had to stop.... in fact, we were waiting for her to tell us what to start with!!
     
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    Hi, you didn't pay this woman £50.00 for her to humiliate you surely?, sorry, but that's the way it reads!, dog trainer?, when she treats her own dogs like that?, I'm sorry but, stand up for yourself, if it happens again, stand up, stop the class and ensure that everyone hears what you have to say to her!, she won't like it but you're not going there to add to her over inflated ego, you're going there to learn!, you could probably find a hundred better teachers than her, good luck. wayne.
     
  13. Tigerneko

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    :lol: :lol: thankyou!

    Can I borrow you before next weeks class for a pep talk :lol:

    I always do this, when something happens initially, I never have the guts or the wit to say anything back quickly, but I always make sure i'm fully prepared for the next time :thumbup:
     
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    Id ask for a refund and look for another class tbh, what a cow!

    Id also tell her exactly what I thought (after getting the refund of course ;)). I did mini agility classes for a while with 2 of my chihuahuas and even tho I was a complete novice the trainer was great! I wouldnt stand to be treated like that becasue Tiger will pick up on your feelings and it could distract him.

    God, what would she do with Shorty I wonder? :lol: Where is the class?
     
  15. Tigerneko

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    I know, I have been thinking of asking for a refund (although i'd only ask for a partial refund as we've already done 2 weeks) but didn't know if that was a bit out of order :eek:

    I really want to say something about her dogs. I can understand her having the collie type dog there (even though it doesn't know what it's doing - Tiger is honestly better than the small bits she's done with her dog - it spends 90% of the time tied up) but the Papillons haven't come out of their boxes once yet and they get so distressed, I feel really sorry for them :( I can't understand why she can't keep them somewhere out of the way, or just not bring them at all if she isn't gonna use them. They might even be better kept together in one crate where they can see each other, most of the time they seem to be trying to reach to one another.

    Most of the other dogs ignore them but it's a silly and an unnecessary distraction and the main thing is that it's unfair for her dogs to be stuck in a cat carrier for an hour (or maybe even 2 hours as there's another class after us)

    haha Shorty might be able to show her a thing or two :p
     
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    Wish it was closer, me and Shorty could have showed her exactly how everything shouldnt be done, would have took most of the heat off you :D
     
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    Her treatment of you was totally out of order. If it were me, next week I'd do what you said about your OH picking you up so that you can get there early enough to take her to one side before the class starts, and ask her point blank if she has some sort of problem with you. Explain that you feel she is picking on you unnecessarily - ie discriminating against you - and that it is preventing you from learning anything from her class. Also tell her that if this goes on, you will have no option other than to leave the class and find another training venue - and tell her as well that if you are forced to do this because of her discriminatory behaviour, then you will be expecting a full refund of the money you have paid to her for services she has not delivered.

    Then watch how quickly she apologises and changes her attitude! :ihih: :ihih:
     
  18. sunshine80

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    I think the trainor was out of order and she does not sound great with her dogs being there either. I only went to one agilty course with Sonny and it was a "fun agility" so you could turn up anytime within the few hours it was going and that was fine (I used to go for the whole time to get my moneys worth though) and you just paid for the day. I must admit I did feel I was not part of the "in crowd" when I was there and most just ignored me apart from one who I know from walking Sonny (thats the penilty of staying in a small village) but the trainers were good and nice enough and one of them can round the full course the first time you did it too make sure that Sonny was fine with the tunnel and dog walk etc. I just did it for fun and never intending in going any further as Sonny does not have great recall either (around distractions) and it was held in a field with pygmy goats and chickens next door :rolleyes:

    The trainers there did have some dogs with them which were mainly kept in their cars or running around with one of the children but they were not distressed and got out to compete on the course as well.
     
  19. Tigerneko

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    That sounds very tempting :lol:

    I am thinking of maybe taking a very sly approach. If she wants me & Tiger to be off lead, I was thinking of turning up mega early with a view to asking her if we could perhaps have a few trys around the course off-lead before all the other dogs get there. If she is a good trainer and genuinely wants to help us progress, she should be more than happy for us to do that.

    I could perhaps say something along the lines of "Tiger isn't making the sort of progress here that I am used to him making, would it be possible to have a go before the rest of the class turn up, then the distractions are kept to a bit of minimum?"

    If her dogs are tied up there, she'll see that i'd struggle to keep him away from them. I actually couldn't care less if he runs over to her dogs - I don't think he'd do any real damage and I honestly think he just wants to play but doesn't know how to 'properly' approach a dog, he's just a like a whirlwind.

    I've explained to her what he can be like (with his recall and with other dogs) yet she's still desperate for me to get him off lead so as far as i'm concerned, she's the trainer and it's her call - and her dogs.

    The only thing I would do is probably keep a squeaky toy in my pocket so that if he does run at her dogs, I will hopefully get him back quickly with it.
     
  20. newfiesmum

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    She sounds really unprofessional to me, someone who wants to dig at others to make herself feel better. I am sure that there were some people there who thought the same, quite frankly. I would have told her where to go and found myself another class. We can't always turn up on time for things, and I expect she's been late once or twice herself.
     
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