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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by kimthecat, Jan 22, 2020.
I dont understand . We're supposed to offer our details and they dont ask us?
I’ve been for a couple of meals out to different places and each one asked for contact details. I thought they were supposed to do this.
I didn’t see any attacks?
Disagreement sure, but not agreeing with everything someone says doesn’t constitute an attack.
I thought so too.
I went out for the first time tonight as well and they didn't ask but they have our email from the online booking. We were two households though so they don't have the other parties details. I'm not sure whether they're meant to have everyone's.
It seems that it’s only guidance in England.
It wasn't meant to be in such a horrible way 'I'm being selfish' but early on I started to feel a little stressed with a lot not doing strict lockdown. Just little things here and there.
I wasn't worried about the virus per se but think it was just information overload at the time and I've realised I'm a stickler for rules.
To stop anxiety forming I decided I would ignore what others were doing, I can't control that but can I can be responsible myself.
I'm certainly much happier for it and I do think that's important.
Businesses including restaurants, pubs and cafes are supposed to be taking customer contact details and storing them for 21 days in order to assist with NHS track and trace system if required. Its not confusing it`s just what they should be doing according to government guidelines.
Of course it is, what with our world beating track and trace system
Although I've started going out once or twice a week, I'm still a bit nervous and don't like getting too close to people. When I go to the shops, it's always just after opening when it's quiet, and I use my own mini bottle of sanitiser that's clipped onto my bag.
I've eaten out twice since the 'eat out to help out' scheme started. Both times were to places that I'd been to before and at their quite time. Both were fully covid ready and took our details as soon as we sat down.
It is a bit strange, seeing most people all masked up, but tbh I'd rather see people wearing them than not. I don't know how long all this is going to go on for, but I do understand why we have to do these things. Better playing it safe than being ill or even dead .
Massachusetts has just introduced new rules enforcing mandatory mask wearing even in your own back yard if you have more than ten people in it. They recommend that everyone, including children over 2 years old (yes, you read that right - 2 years old) should wear them. But it's no hardship, just make the mask out of a pretty material and tell her it's the 'new normal'. It's for the greater good.
Lockdowns don't work, sensible, calm measures, like those adopted by Sweden do work - the evidence is overwhelming. For how much longer should we keep introducing these draconian measures? A year, two years, maybe 5 years until we have a safe vaccine? For god's sake, just take care of the aged and vulnerable who make up the vast, vast majority who die with this virus and stop causing untold economical, mental and social to damage to the rest of society. Including the poor young children caught up in this utter madness.
Ok, so me debating with a different point of view is just me "trying to find fault with everything".
An excellent thread that compares the results of the enforced lockdowns in Norway, Finland and Denmark with the more relaxed approach by Sweden.
"If the success of lockdowns is proven by lower mortality in Denmark, Norway, and Finland than in Sweden, then this should hold true in the Oresund region crossing Denmark and southern Sweden. In fact, Covid-19 mortality across the region is about the same".
which is why I spent 15 weeks in isolation as per guidance from GP and government, despite the effect on my mh
I was under the impression that contact tracing was 'a thing' for all restaraunts/pubs/cafes etc (thank you to those who corrected me in that it's not mandatory)
THATS what surprised me, the complete lack of it and lack of mask wearing whilst waiting for service
Despite that confusion, on my part, I enjoyed my meal and the chance to socialise outside, I even accepted a hug from someone who was pleased to see me
After all I'm a Sharon, not a Karen
I assumed it was mandatory as well. The council where I live has even employed staff to monitor the ‘one in one out’ policy for public toilets in the county parks. I’m on the border of another council and they haven’t done the same for their county park.
Currently, in Sweden, there are just 32 ICU beds being used for Covid19 patients. They achieved this without the draconian measures so many are encouraging.
Eta. Death rates in ICU patients have now decreased from 43%, when the pandemic was at its height, to about 20% today.
You seem a bit obsessed with Sweden. They have one of the highest deaths rates relative to population size in the whole of Europe.
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I was under the impression it was very successful in New Zealand
Did you read my post #6532? I'm not obsessed with Sweden. I'm obsessed with getting things right before we cause any more unnecessary damage.
Not seen Sharon in use yet. I assume that's the opposite of a Karen . I tried to find the male equivalent of Karen and it seems it is Kyle ( in the US at least ) though I havent see it used. Kevin would be my choice.
Sweden has 571 deaths per 1 million population which is higher than the US at 506 and Brazil at 485 per 1 million population.
Hungary with a similar population to Sweden but with a population density 4 times that of Sweden has only 63 deaths per 1 million population.