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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Zayna, Aug 23, 2013.


  1. Zayna

    Zayna PetForums VIP

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    For the past week or so our 7yr old greyhound has been crying almost constantly. its not really a cry of pain.. more of a whine as if she wants something. She is eating and drinking as normal, poos are normal. I have felt her all over and she isn't in any pain. There have been no changes to her diet or her routine?? I really don't know what's up!!
    She used to sleep 90% of the day (typical greyhound) and you would hardly know she was there whereas now she seems to be pacing constantly whining. Suggestions anyone. I don't want to drag her down the vets unless it's really necessary as number 1 she HATES it and will stress for days after plus I don't really have vet money right now if I'm honest:(
     
  2. Owned By A Yellow Lab

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    All I can say is that if it was me, I'd take my dog to the vet. There may be something that is not obvious, that you can't detect. Better safe than sorry, surely?

    Many dogs dislike going to the vet but it's a necessary 'evil' sometimes.
     
  3. Sled dog hotel

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    Is she unspayed or spayed. If she is unspayed and had a season in the last month or two maybe a bit longer, possibly a phantom, whining, pacing, clingy behaviour can be signs of a phantom some will go further and have enlarged teats, carry inanimate objects around as babies, nest and even produce milk.
    Another thing that can occur too is uterine infections sometimes they produce a discharge others they don't. Depressed odd behaviour can be a sign of that too or the start of it.

    Even if she is spayed, changes in behaviour, like whining, pacing, being unsettled can be a sign of incubating an illness and signs of pain or discomfort too. Any signs of stretching a lot, arching backs, standing with an arch back or spayed legs, that's often a sign of pain or discomfort too especially things like addominal.
     
  4. Zayna

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    She is spayed. She hasn't been showing any outward signs of pain and still remains active at times.. will jump up onto beds and sofas and play. I will ring the vets for advice but no doubt they will want me to bring her down. Poor old Rozcake. I have to physically drag her in there lol
     
  5. redroses2106

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    if she doesn't normally whine a lot I would want her to go to the vets for a check up, better safe than sorry, and it could cost you more in the long run if something is left untreated. if you really can't afford it, see if you can pay up the bill, or try to find a charity that can help out in circumstances like this
     
  6. 2Hounds

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    Seems very odd behavior especially if you can't think of any possible cause. Dogs can be stoic and yet drama queens other times with less pain, so think its best to get her checked over.
     
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  7. Malmum

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    Pacing, whining and panting are all signs of pain - you didn't say if she was panting, maybe I missed it but I'd def take her to the vet. I know what you mean about her being upset, Kali pants, pulls and drools like mad with fear and stares at the door waiting for someone to come in/out to make her escape. I'm afraid she just has to get on with it because if I think she needs to see a vet she sees one, no matter how much she hates it. ;)

    Just an aside, has she ever needed her anal gland emptied? Marty had one rupture with an abscess in the week but showed no sign he was in pain, its a very painful condition (you can imagine with rupturing a gland) but he carried on as normal and we knew nothing until it burst. They often don't show pain so best let a vet examine her. Get those galnds checked while you're there because impaction is pretty common.
     
  8. Sled dog hotel

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    It could be anything, sometimes pain source isn't obvious or what or where it is unless they undergo proper examination and palpation of the stomach for example. Even skeletal joint or muscle pain again isn't evident until a proper orthopaedic exam is done with extensions and manipulations sometimes.

    Any behaviour that is out of character, and especially if prolonged or ongoing should really be checked out. My Samoyed I had for example was acting out of character one day, no pacing and whining he just took himself off and didn't want to interact at all, very unlike him, he was eating and drinking and toileting OK too. Turned out in the end and this was November/December time too, he had a grass seed that must have been sitting out of sight down the ear canal for ages, that had suddenly migrated further and had perforated the ear drum. Apart from one solitary yelp when I touched his head, the only other signs were the odd solitary behaviour that was out of character. The vet said that in all his time, he had never had a grass seed cause a problem that late in the year. Thankfully for the one and only solitary yelp that was the only clue we got as to the area where there might be a problem it was found. He must have been in terrible pain too.
     
  9. Zayna

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    Well I took my little Rozcake to the vets today... haven't had the best news. Vet couldn't find anything outwardly wrong so did a full blood count. The results are showing an extremely high red blood cell count which vet says indicates some sort of tumour:( After the blood test her neck swelled up like crazy and I had to rush her back to have it all bandaged up as it would not stop bleeding (they had taken the bloods from her neck). Vet says to give it a week to settle down then he will do a follow up blood test to see if red blood cell count is still high.. if it is... well he said we will have to go from there. I just feel :(
     
  10. zedder

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    sorry to hear that hope it turns out ok.:(
     
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    well at least you went to the vet so hope its not what he thinks it is
    could be thyroid trouble kidney trouble may not be a tumour
     
  12. foursmith

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    Aww poor thing, hoping for news that they can treat her.x
     
  13. Sled dog hotel

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    Cant promise you nothing is going on medically but this may cheer you up a bit and give you some hope. Don't suppose you know how high the RBC count was? I knew Greyhounds and sighthounds had low thyroid hormone levels to other dogs that for them is totally normal. So wondered if they had any other things that would be abnormal in other dogs too.

    Over production of red blood cells which would give a high blood cell count is called Polycythemia.

    On checking Greyhounds naturally have a higher Packed cell volumne which means portion of blood volume occupied by red blood cells then other dogs.

    The above is taken from greyhound Myths by Suzanne Stack DVM

    http://www.greyhound-data.com/dir/395/Hound_Myths.pdf

    Greyhounds also have lower platelet counts then other dogs too and WBC counts apparently There is more on it on the following link.

    Frequently Asked Questions

    So depending on how high the red blood cell count actually was then it may not be that bad at all for a greyhound anyway.

    There are different types of Polycythemia too There is something called Transient Polycythemia when a dog is excited, fearful, aggressive, restrained or exercised it produces adrenaline which makes the spleen contract, the spleen is where mature red blood cells are stored, the contraction causes large numbers or red blood cells to be injected into circulation. (I think you mention she is terrified of the vets?) So if they have high RBC to other breeds anyway and with this too perhaps, they would be high.

    There are other types and causes of Polycythemia high red blood cells and tumours are amongst them as it causes high red blood cell count too, but there are lots of other things too, and different types of it.

    It all depends on how high he said they actually were.

    The swelling and bleeding could just have been an adverse affect or problem taking the blood, swelling and haematomas are adverse effects listed when taking blood from the jugular in the neck.

    As said cant promise you there isn't a problem but depending on how high the RBCs were there can be other reasons, and causes apart from just tumours.
     
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  14. BeauNoir

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    THIS!

    I was told Quinn could have cancer, turns out our new vet just didn't realise that sighthounds have higher levels of many things in their blood as standard. We have a different vet now, needless to say!

    How is she now?
     
  15. babycham2002

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    Just seen this thread and was going to encourage a blood test


    Sorry to hear the results but the information posted above is very promising
    See if your vet can find more out to do with this

    Wishing you all th best and gentle huge to Roz


    Vicki
     
  16. Zayna

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    Thank you for your support guys!

    The first blood test showed a count of 73.. had another done today (was too impatient to wait until Tuesday) and it showed a count of 64. they said that was high but not too bad considering she is a greyhound plus she was extremely stressed when they took the bloods.
    vet has said what happens next is up to me. its hard for them to pinpoint exactly what the problem is as she is showing no real physical symptoms.. just acting 'off' if you know what I mean.
    They said they can xray her to see if there is anything going on internally but have suggested I give it a few days to see how she goes. My poor old Roz.. she hates me right now.. especially when I held her down while they did her glands :(
     
  17. Sled dog hotel

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    If the 64 is packed cell volume then apparently 55/65 is normal for a greyhound. So with stress on top that can make it higher still then it doesn't look too bad.

    If she seems fine in every other way and everything is based on this, and especially as she gets so stressed and worked up it may be better to see if she does settle in the next few days rather then perhaps putting her through something that might be needless. Obviously if she does develop other symptoms or she really doesn't settle then you may have to do more tests.

    It seems really well documented how different their tests are, found another link, might be worth bookmarking them, in case its ever need for comparison.

    Greyhound Gang - Medical - Blood Work
     
  18. Zayna

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    Thanks for the advice. Nothing much has changed. She is still unsettled and has been off her food.. will eat but not so enthusiastic about her dinner like she is normally.. she will still beg for treats though.

    I rang the vet again.. they said I could bring her in and have an xray done but they admitted they dont really know what they are looking for.. they were just going to see if anything showed up. It just seems like unnecessary stress for Roz. I really dont know what to do.. might try a different vets, one that specializes in greyhounds would be good.
     
  19. Picklelily

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    Hi zayna Greyhounds do have an abnormally high red cell count compared to other dogs anyway so its not as bad in your dog as others. The cause can be tumours but it can also be just dehydration, there are other causes.

    My dog had an abnormally high red cell count its called polycythaemia unfortunately my dogs was due to a malignant melanoma that had spread to his lungs and bone marrow.

    We did treat with chemotherapy to use the chemotherapy side effect to reduce red cell production He was very well on the chemotherapy the drug was quite cheap (can't remember its name at the moment, too early in the day).

    The initial scans were our expense plus having several pints of blood removed and having him hydrated but my dog had the highest red cell count even the specialist had ever seen.

    Will update you more later.

    I don't know where you are in the world my vet ended up with a lot of experience with polycythaemia and the specialist in Birmingham was excellent but expensive.

    Ah I see sled dog hotel beat me too it what an excellent post from her.
     
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  20. BeauNoir

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    This may sound odd but has anything changed near your home that perhaps you haven't noticed?

    Dogs can hear a lot more than we can, and I found that Quinn and Pixie had been acting a little odd, especially in the garden for the last few weeks, then it clicked, we live behind a railway and they have been doing works on it for the last few weeks, I can't hear the works from our garden, but I am guessing they can which has flustered them a bit.

    In extreme cases, especially with sensitive dogs, noise can affect their eating, sleeping, etc.
     
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