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conflicting advice

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Blitz, Feb 8, 2018.


  1. Blitz

    Blitz PetForums VIP

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    It is all very confusing for me let alone for newbies. A bitch must be mature, over 2 years old before having a first litter. Unless it is a chihuaha then it should be younger. The ideal time for a puppy to go to its new home is 8 weeks because that is the critical time to get it used to everything. Unless it is a toy breed then it should be 12 weeks. 5 is far too old for a first litter unless it is a CKC then it has to be over 5. Either these things matter or they don't. I am not sure why they are changed around to suit breeds that have problems and maybe should not be bred in the first place.
     
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    I don't really see it as conflicting advice. It's just advice.
     
  3. Sky Full Of Stars

    Sky Full Of Stars PetForums Newbie

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    In my opinion female dogs shouldn't be bred under 2 years old. 1 year old in my view is still a puppy regardless of breed.

    In my view, if something is going to go wrong with whelping it'll happen just as much in a first time 2 year old as a first time 5 year old. If a dog was born with a large head and narrow hips for example, it wouldn't have an easy whelping if it was bred at any age.

    Everyone seems to have their own idea on the best age to send puppies on to their new homes. Guide Dog puppies are taken away from their mums at 6 weeks old!
     
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    How is not conflicting advice. Prospective new puppy owners get told the ideal time to get their new puppy for a specific reason which is then thrown out the window for certain breeds. and new breeders are told their bitch is too young or too old unless it happens to be a problem breed in which case it either needs to be bred from while still a pup with some breeds or with others wait till it is far older than is normally safe or sensible for a first litter. If toy breeds can manage fine without that all important window of socialisation then maybe other dogs do not need it. If it is wrong to breed early or later in life with all but certain breeds then maybe it would not matter with other breeds.

    It makes no sense to me to make exceptions to important rules because certain breeds are not fit for purpose.
     
  5. Katalyst

    Katalyst A Lanky Lurcher and a Delinquent Dobermann

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    It makes perfect sense to me that breeds that reach growth and maturity milestones at different intervals would also have variation on when selling/breeding etc are suggested.

    Given that at barely more than a year old, toy breeds are generally considered adult but say, Danes are still very much puppies, it should also be a given that they reach pinnacle breeding age at different points.
     
  6. Blitz

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    I actually agree with you on that one. Small breeds can be bred from earlier, and can be walked longer distances at a younger age because they are mature but the advice on pet forums, and maybe I should have clarified that , seems to jump down poster's throats if they suggest breeding under 2 or over 5 or buying a pup at 12 weeks or they will be buying trouble. I am not quite sure why toy breeds are considered not to be ready to leave their breeder till 12 weeks though.
     
  7. Ceiling Kitty

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    The exceptions to the rules are for the benefit of the dogs in question. These dogs would not benefit from the 'standard' advice.

    If the alternative is to apply 'standard' advice to all dogs and affect some negatively, just to avoid confusion, I'm not sure that's giving good advice.

    I completely agree that some of these dogs shouldn't be bred in the first place. That's a non-starter of an argument in my book. But we all know they're going to be bred anyway, so why not try and encourage the best method of breeding we can rather than worry about following inflexible 'rules'?
     
  8. Freyja

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    It is actualy in the chihuahua breed club code of ethics that puppies must not leave the breeders premises until they are 12 weeks old at 8 weeks they are way to small and as chihuahua pups tend to be a bit backwards with weaning many are not properly weaned at 8 weeks. my litter at the moment are 5 months and I know at their mum was still going into the pen with them at night although she was not feeding them even now she will happily ask to go in with the pups although I do feel it is now cupboard love she just wants the extra food as she is a greedy madam. Yes I have had chihuahuas that are weaned and ready to go at 8 weeks their mum had eclampsia and at 4 weeks they were entirely on solids but they still stayed until they were 12 weeks.

    At 8 weeks my vet told me my current pups were too small to vaccinate even at 12 weeks they considered them too small and they are not so called t cups they are show chihuahuas
     
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    I have three chihuahuas, the last one I picked up when he was 8 weeks old, but I would never do that again, I feel he was much to young. I think they should be at least 12 or when 14 wks.
     
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