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Can anyone help Teds nose??????

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by Jen26, Jul 3, 2009.


  1. Jen26

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    Hi Everyone,
    Iam a bit of a newbie in the dog section but Iam hoping one of you might be able to help Ted and his awfull nose condition.

    Ted has had a crusty nose for about 12 months now, he has had a skin scraping which showed an infection, he was given Ronaxen and malaseb shampoo, neither made any difference.

    He then had a biopsy which came up with a possibility of lupus, he had prednisalone stroids and an immunosuppressant(sorry i forgot the name), again no difference.

    He had a few weeks ago the Allervet test for allergies, it came up with allergies to wheat and plantain, and a marginal allergy to house dust and harvest mites. He given a 2 week course of ceporex and fuciderm gel and still no difference.

    The vet has now advised that he is refered to a skin specialist at Liverpool university, but to be honest hes been prodded and poked so much, were not sure if we want to carry on with the treatment. As so far we just seem to be going round in circles.

    His nose doesnt seem to cause him any pain and he is otherwise very fit and healthy, Iam going to try and contact his breeder and see if any other siblings have had a similar problem.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks Jen x

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    Personally, id go to the skin specialists. If hes quite an amiable dog, then it shouldnt stress him out too much. If they can find out what hes allergic too, then they can have a vaccine made specifically for him, and they get good results with these.

    Skin problems are an absolute nightmare.

    I also wouldnt want to use steroids on a long term basis.
     
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    Hi i know how your feeling we have an 8 yr old Sharpei who has alergies he is currently on Trim antibiotics,5mg prednisolone (steroid) twice a day,piriton 4mg three times a day,surolan for his ears,fucithalmic for hie eyes and bathed weekly in malaseb.He has had problems all his life and as he is getting older they seem to be getting worse :(
    We feed him on a raw diet which our vet recommends.We have had countless tests done,seen specailists we now accept he will never been cured but the main thing is to keep his alergies under control sadly that means he will always be on medication.
    If i was you i would see what the specailist has to say they make know how to stop your dog having these reactions.
    I hate to see our dog in this state and sadly many more Sharpeis have the same problems :(
     
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    Oh no, you have my sympathies, I know how frustrating it is. Its the general aneasthetics that are putting us off taking him, he has had 3 in the last year and they always make him quite ill afterwards.
    I will give the university a ring and see what action they would take,

    Thanks nonnie and animalover for your advice
     
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    Why so many anaesthetics? I now biopsies require sedation, but most skin sampling can be done whilst they are conscious.
     
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    Your welcome :)
    Is it only Ted's nose thats effected? What do you feed Ted on? xx
     
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    One was for castration and the other 2 for biopsy and skin samples. I never had the option of having them done awake
     
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    They must have had a reason.

    I used to work at a skin referral centre, and we only ever used to sedate for biopsies as they involve a surgical procedure. Without knowing the exact tests, its hard to say why they would have needed to anaethetise, i doubt they would have unless it was necessary.
     
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    He has rough paws too, his eyes are really dry so he has daily drops for them and his ears flare up now and again, not sure if its all related or just coincidence though?

    The one thing we thought it could be is that he was allergic to our rabbit, when we moved house, we had a week to decorate our new house before we moved in, we took ted with us and left the rabbit at home( we did of course feed him daily), his nose started to clear up. When we bought the rabbit here the nose flared up. It doesnt matter what time of year it is either:(
     
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    They are very good vets, so there must of been a reason, he had stitches so maybe it was because of the amount taken?
     
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    Probably. They always take multiple biopsies. They use this little punch contraption that removes a disc of skin, they then suture the hole thats left.

    Sometimes they will take a wedge, which leaves a larger wound. It depends on how big of a sample they want.

    Its all very complex.
     
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    They are all probably related to his alergies,Vaunny(our sharpei)has ear and eye problems though he has had surgery on his eyes 3 times leaving him with scaring on his eyes making him loose some of his sight.
    It could well be the Rabbit he is alergic to it might be worth keeping them away from each other,we have ferrets but they dont effect Vaunny.
    I feel very sorry for Vaunny and other dogs with alergies,he is constantly itching,scratching himself!
     
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    Its such a shame, poor vaunny:(

    Luckily Ted doesnt seem itchy at all, It just looks sore and he has no way of telling us whether it hurts or not.
    Our rabbit is 9, I dont know how long they live but Iam guessing he is quite elderley, He has the run of the garden, I will try partitioning part of the garden off for him.
     
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    They did mention something about punches, he had quite a few taken, he was in more pain after the biopsy than before:(
     
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    I know what you mean Vaunny has been under anaesthetic for biopsies a few times then when he has had surgery for his eyes and castrating,though he hasnt for a few years now our vet takes skin scrapes sometimes but Vaunny doesnt mind and will allow the vet to do it no probs.
    Good luck with Ted let us know how you get on xx :)
     
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    Has your vet tested for Canine Pemphigus? My oldie has it and it symptoms are extreamly similar to Ted's. Cromwell's was only found by accident as the vet had just done a course and Pemphigus was bought in during it so he was amazed to find a case on his doorstep a month or so afterwards. According to my vet it's not something they routinely test for as it's not a common disorder.

    This article is interesting to read, it does mention the benefits of feeding a raw diet and I'll second that as I've fed mine raw for years.

    Edited to add Cromwell has Pemphigus erythemtosus which attacks his nose,eyes and ears. He started with the symptoms like Ted's and is now on 5mg of Pred's per day. I choose to maintain his disorder rather than clear it completely as the dose of steriods would be extreamly high and for a small dog of 15 I refuse to do that to him. His nose doesn't bother him and he's happier on the low dose as the high doses effected his nature and character, but kept his eyes clear which was my main concern.

    Recent picture to show you the level Cromwell has it : (Excuse the teddy he'd been on a long walk and was tired!!)

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    Out of interest what breed is Ted as certain breeds are more prone to it?
     
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    Thanks
    Ive not heard of that but I will mention it to them. He has been on various doses of prednisalone, starting with 5mg right up to 25mg, it didnt help at all,
    He is the sort of dog that always has his nose in something though,
    Cromwell looks like a little sweetie:)

    Edit- he is a labrador, Iam trying to get hold of his breeder, to see if any other pups had it too.
     
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    Just realised I didn't include the article!! I did find it took at least 6 months of steriods before I noticed a good difference. It's not something I'm happy with him being on long term but as he was diagnosed at 12 I wasn't as concerned as I'd have been if he was a younger dog. My vet assured me old age would kill him before the effects of the steriods. I just hope he's right.

    Canine Pemphigus: Blisters and Skin Lesions in Dogs | Suite101.com

    Apparently labs are prone to the chemically induced form of the disorder so definately worth asking your vet. Hope it isn't that and he recovers soon.
     
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    It definatly sounds like a possibility, thanks for that, I will mention it to them. :)
     
  20. rona

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    Our old Collie was on low level steroids nearly all the time between 6 and 15 years old, she had to be put to sleep because her spine went. I don't think you need to worry too much :)
     
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