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bsh colours and patterns......help!

Discussion in 'Cat Chat' started by debzidoo12, Jan 21, 2012.


  1. debzidoo12

    debzidoo12 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi, im just starting breeding bsh's after spending 2 years researching them and trying to find how colours and patterns work but cant seem to find any decent websites to help me, i have a few questions if any of you out there can help me, im looking to find out what i would get if i put a chocolate tortie to a lilac self stud and same mating but with a blue self stud? also a silver tabby to blue stud and again a lilac stud, and also a silver tabby queen to brown spotty stud, then lilac self queen to brown spotty stud and blue self queen to a brown spotty stud, can anyone help me please???? thank you x
     
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    You need to message Spid they will be able to help you
     
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    Or Taylorbaby.. amazing breeder, brilliant knowledge of cats, breeding etc :)
     
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    Spids here!

    I'll do them one at a time -

    Lilac stud and a chocolate tortie (assuming she doesn't carry dilute)

    chocolate and red boys: chocolate and chocolate tortie girls.

    If mum carries dilute

    choc, lilac, red and cream boys: choc, lilac, choc tortie and lilac tortie girls.
     
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    Blue stud +lilac tortie girl

    assuming neither carry anything

    black and red boys: black and black tortie girls,

    same stud still not carrying anything, mum carries dilute

    black, blue, red and cream boys: black, blue, black tortie, blue tortie girls

    same stud carrying choc, mum not carrying

    black, choc, and red boys: black, choc, black tortie and choc tortie

    same stud carrying choc mum carrying dilute

    black, blue, choc, lilac, red and cream boys: black, blue, choc, lilac, black tortie, choc tortie, blue tortie, and lilac tortie.
     
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    silver tabby to blue stud

    silver tabby counts as black - and it depends on whether she has one or two tabby genes.

    so assuming no recessive genes carried

    all black kittens

    mum carries dilute or dilute and choc

    black and blue kittens

    dad and mum carry choc

    black, choc

    dad carries choc mum carries choc and dilute

    black, blue, lilac and choc

    if she carries two silver genes all will be silver, if she carries one then some will be silver.
    if she carries 2 tabby genes ALL will be tabby, if she carries one tabby gene then you will get a mixture of tabbies and selfs.
     
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    silver tabby to lilac stud

    silver tabby counts as black - and it depends on whether she has one or two tabby genes.

    so assuming no recessive genes carried

    all black kittens

    mum carries dilute

    black and blue kittens

    mum carries dilute and choc

    black, blue, choc, lilac,

    if she carries two silver genes all will be silver, if she carries one then some will be silver.
    if she carries 2 tabby genes ALL will be tabby, if she carries one tabby gene then you will get a mixture of tabbies and selfs.
     
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    spid PetForums VIP

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    when you say brown spotty - do you mean chocolate? or brown tabby? Can't do it unless I know.
     
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    tries anyway - assuming a brown spotty not a choc spotty -

    spotty is just a form of tabby

    Silver tabby mum to brown spotted dad

    so silver tabby to brown tabby no recessive genes

    all black

    mum and dad carry dilute

    black and blue

    mum and dad carry chocolate

    black and choc

    mum and dad carry both dilute and choc

    black, blue, choc and lilac.

    Depending on how many genes for tabby - all or some tabby
    Same for silver - all or some
     
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    lilac self queen to brown spotty stud

    assumng carrying nothing

    black kittens

    dad carries dilute

    black and blue kittens

    dad carries choc

    black and choc kittens

    dad carries dilute and choc

    black, blue, choc and lilac.

    Again depending on genes some tabby some not.
     
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    blue self queen to a brown spotty stud

    carries nothing

    black kittens

    mum carries choc

    black kittens

    dad carries dilute

    black and blue kittens

    dad carries dilute and choc, mum carries choc

    black, blue, choc and lilac

    Tabby as above
     
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    Need piccies and a glass of wine after that lot!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Sorry can you repeat that???;)
     
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    I have to say I'm sometimes amazed at the sheer font of knowledge that members like spid (and hobbs & taylorbaby & many others) make this forum.
     
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    thank you very much for your help, so decided on not getting the choc tortie now lol, but im getting a choc self girl this week, sorry to be a pain in the bum but what would i get if i put her to my studs which are, lilac pointed, blue self, lilac self and my brown spotty, (yes hes a spotted tabby boy black spots and brown colouring) on his pink slip it says hes a brown spotted thanks alot debs x
     
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    hahaha i bet u do, i have a malibu n coke if u care to join lol!
     
  17. spid

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    okay before I answer that lot - what do any of them carry? And if you don't know it would be a good idea to get them all tested.
     
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    oh okay - I need to go to bed and can't wait for a reply - so lilac pointed, blue self, lilac self brown spotty studs and a choc self girl. I'm going to answer all of these as though they all carry nothing - not even cp.

    with spotty boy: black kittens (tabby ones will be brown tabbies)
    with lilac pointed: choc kittens
    with blue boy: black kittens
    with lilac self: choc kittens

    now there are many other combinations IF they carry stuff - like if she carries cp then you will get some cp with the lilac cp boy. And if the others carry cp too. Your best bet is to test them all - Langford labs do tests for dilute, choc, tabby (one or two genes), cp etc.
     
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    Torties are not the best for newbies to get, I started with a tortie, but then Id studed colours/patterns so I knew what I was letting myself in for! :laugh:

    Id advise you to ask the breeder to mentor you through this as its not as easy as it seems! I do lik the chocs! :)
     
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    I started with a blue tabby (one gene) carrying chocolate gave some of choice.

    Now have a blue tortie tabby (one gene), silver (one gene) and mink (cp2 gene) carrying cp1 - even more choice - I love the variety.
     
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