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Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by bullyb, Nov 2, 2007.


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  1. bullyb

    bullyb PetForums VIP

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    hi everyone! i breed british bulldogs so if anyone has any questions at all or need advice, let me know and i will try and help!
     
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    this is a good idear !!! i breed blue staffys & allways happy to share addvice on breading weaning whepling & happy to share any thing i know karen enquires@bluestafford.com
     
  3. bullyb

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    yes, its a great idea! :)
     
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    Hi I breed Bulldogs and have done for over 40 years they are a great breed andy help or advice I will be glad to help if I can
    Carol and all at Wencar
    http://www.wencar.demon.co.uk
     
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    hi ive been breeding bulldogs for ten years also happy to help anyone that wants it
     
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    wow 3 breeders.
    why i didnt join here months ago is beyond me.
    i spent the best part of 2 months trying to find a british bulldog pup.
    he had to be male and he had to be red and white.
    i got george a few months ago now but i am looking to get another next year.
    how often do you guys breed? are they kc reg? and what lines do they come from?
     
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    hi there, great to meet a fellow bully lover! we have kennels Mearnspride Bulldogs, Scotland - Home, we breed once a year and our pups have just sold. all our bulldogs are kc registered with our kennel name which is also kc registered. ours come from celticpride/britishpride lines but are going to change the lines next year. what lines are george from?:)
     
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    hello. you'll have to excuse me im not altogether up on the lines and papers bit. george has a few britishpride champs on his papers.his parents are from the trimbul line. then going backwards through grand parents he has dawnstar, britishpride, ocobo and so on.
     
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    ocobo and britishpride are good lines. i havent heard of trimbul before. he is a beauty though!!:D
     
  10. Brainless

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    I am very interested to know if there is a concerted effort being made in the breed to select for natural whelping and mating characteristics.

    I note the breed clubs have a health assessment recommended.

    Also why are so few hip scored? the few who have had their hips scored show no reason for complacency regarding this issue.

    Also what can be done about the outrageous overpricing of the breed?

    Good breeders have no option but to follow suit or risk their pups being resold for a profit :(
     
  11. bullyb

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    in answer, bulldogs are not overpriced.
    bulldogs cannot breed natuarly and therefore a lot of time care and cost is put into arranging it. i do not mate my dogs myself, i take them to the south of wales to andrew brain, top crufts handler to do it for me. bulldogs also are not suitable to be left unatended with their pups as they are very clumsey so there is also 24 hr round the clock attention. you contact any bulldog breeder and they will tell you the same thing...believe me, i aint in it for the money...im in it for the love of the breed which at the moment is slowly decreesing in numbers because not enough people are prepared to put the TIME AND MONEY into keeping this breed and striving to make the perfect bulldog.
     
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  13. Brainless

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    I think most breeders give 24 hour care and many breeds are heavy and clumsy so need extra watching. C sections can occur in many breeds and the cost of one should not double or triple the price of a pup (£1800 plus for a puppy?) compared to most breeds. I just cannot see the justification.

    The breed is not rare at all, with 3,522 registered in 2006 and being 16th most numerous in breed registrations there is no danger of them dying out.

    So what is being done to return them to being able to breed naturally, which they once did and some still can?

    My own breed probably has similar registrations to Bulldogs numbers in UK, in their country of origin and in the UK is down to under a 100 bred, breeders regularly either import or travel abroad to mate bitches (I have done both), so investing a great deal of money in the breed, yet pups are still a reasonable £550 - £600, despite the low numbers bred.

    Sussex Spaniels and Field spaniels are breeds that are not easy to breed, Clumbers are very clumsy mothers yet they do not command excessive puppy prices for the same input from the breeders.

    I assumed it was the commercial breeders that drove up the price of bulldogs because they are fashionable, and that good breeders agreed they were overpriced but went along with the prices to protect their pups from resale and profiteering? Maybe I was wrong?
     
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    Why are Bulldogs SOOO expensive ?



    I guess one of the most frequently asked questions of us is, "Why do Bulldogs cost so much more than other breeds of dog"? To be honest, one would be hard pressed to find a "cheap" dog of any breed in today's economy, unless it is from a dog rescue organization, or from unethical sources.

    We cannot tell you how many times we have had phone call inquiries stating, "We really want to buy a Bulldog so bad, but all we have to spend is £500". It is sad that these individuals do not understand just what it takes to get any breed of dog up to the age for placement in to a loving home. Grant you, some breeds are much less expensive than the Bulldog, but Bulldogs are at the top of the price range when it comes to purchasing a nice pup that is sound in body and mind. Here, we have listed not all, but most of the reasons why:

    1.Currently, there are 39 KNOWN inherited diseases, disorders, faults and health problems with the Bulldog breed. This does not include the numerous anomalies that are still being researched. The known health problems range from mild to severe allergies to heart disease and cancer.

    The Bulldog is called a "high maintenance" breed due to these inherited factors. If one cannot afford the purchase price of a Bulldog, 9 times out of 10, they definitely cannot afford the special care that is required to keep their Bulldog healthy.

    2.Bulldogs require special care in extremes of heat and cold. You cannot purchase a Bulldog and just let it out into your backyard. First and foremost, you are letting the poor little girl or boy, more or less, fend for itself. Like most breeds of dog, Bulldogs have a burning desire to be with their owners at all times, and when these emotional needs are not met, they can become frustrated, physically unwell and mentally distraught. This, in turn, can turn a perfectly stable Bulldog into a terror. Or, even worse, your little girl or boy will eventually die from the lack of the good companionship she/he so richly deserves!



    A Bulldog can die of heat stroke, if left out in the hot sun, no matter how much shade and water is provided. A Bulldog can also die from hypothermia if left out in the cold of winter, regardless of the type of dog house or how many blankets you provide. ALL Bulldogs must have a comfortable home draft free, kept at a moderate and constant, temperature just the same as their owners enjoy.

    3.The cost of breeding and whelping pups, in 2006, was very expensive, and there were no complications with the mum or any of her pups. If problems did arise, costs could exceed thousands upon thousands of pounds. This does not include the stud fee for the sire of the pups, nor the overwhelming extra amount of progesterone testing required for some brood bitches with irregular heat cycles…

    In the UK 99.9% of breeding is undertaken by a natural mating, even though most of the breeders still struggle by putting the bitch through a lot of stress, check out our … MATING PAGE to see matings undertaken properly.

    In the USA females are bred at a Veterinarian's surgery by artificial insemination. On average, this can cost from $275 to $475, depending upon the individual Vet's fees. The USA breeders fear trying to allow the stud and bitch to breed naturally why i don't know. Some breeders in the USA have excellent expertise performing their own AI's, but artificial insemination is not to be done by the novice. There is too much danger in injuring both the stud and the bitch, possibly rendering them sterile for the remainder of their lives. Here in the UK I would advise the breeder that’s interested in Artificial insemination to contact the Kennel club for advice, secondly speak to his or her vet.

    In Parts of Europe, I’m told they rely on Chilled & frozen sperm, many breeders undertake the Artificial insemination themselves but we are told the success rate is low. On our travels to Italy, Spain, Belgium, Holland etc on invitation to various shows we also get invited to various kennels to see their set up & dogs, in conversation it astonishes me why these people are unable to undertake a simple stress free mating as shown on the mating page of our web-site. Hi guy’s move into the 21st century use a mating cradle, along with the vaginal swabbing & pre- ovulation blood testing you will have success rate will rise drastically.

    4.Female Bulldogs cannot and must not be allowed to whelp pups naturally, except under the guidance of a vet. There are some females that have no problems at all, while others have died from trying to whelp just one pup. It is very risky for the health and well-being of the mum and the pups. Here in the UK, the brood bitch is taken to the Veterinary surgeon, when her time for whelping is near. She is given anaesthesia and the pups are delivered by C - section, very much in the same manner as with human mums who might have difficulty delivering their child naturally.

    The C- section does not secure the safety of the mum, by any means! There have been many lovely brood bitches who have died on the Veterinary surgeon's operating table, either from the wrong type of anaesthesia given, or too much, or due to unknown health problems with the bitch.



    5.But, before any of the breeding can take place, both the prospective stud dog and the brood bitch should undergo a health check by a vet and listen to the guidance given. Next step the pre-ovulation blood testing which can work out quite expensive, averaging from £30 - £60 per test depends on your vet.

    Progesterone testing for the brood bitch, alone, can cost as much as £60 to £400 depending on the number of tests needed, Some females requiring 4-6 preliminary tests before the first test proves the bitch is ready to be mated.

    6.After the pups are born, they are usually kept in an incubator. Most of the animal incubators are exactly like the ones for human babies. The pups can spend as much as 2-4 weeks in the incubator before they are ready for the normal whelping box. This equipment and all the other supplies needed to keep the pups healthy and safe in the earliest stages of their little lives, adds up to quite a sum!





    7.When the pups are ready to join their mum in the whelping box, the mum can only be allowed to stay with the pups during nursing time. To leave the mum alone with the pups, unattended, is only asking for trouble. It is not that the mum is mean or vicious. It is that all Bulldog mums are so clumsy, they can accidentally step upon, lie down on, or otherwise unknowingly injury a pup or pups severely, even causing the pups to die from these injuries. Therefore, the breeder must monitor the pups and their mum at all times when the mum is in the box with her babies.

    This often times requires the breeder to take a temporary leave of absence from his/her job in order to stay at home during the first 4-6 weeks of the pups' lives. Not to mention the fact, there are often times pups who are not as robust as their siblings, requiring supplemental feedings with special formula suckled through baby bottles, or sometimes all the pups seem to need at least one to two supplemental feedings during the day due to mum's milk being either too rich or not rich enough.

    Not knowing the average wage earner's salary, there is no way to proper-ly calculate this expense, although I am sure it is not cheap, by any stretch of the imagination.

    8. Best of breeders breed only when there is the best of reasons to do so, always with health, conformation and temperament their main priority as there is no substitute, The reputable breeders are not breeding just to create pups to sale. They are conscientious, caring and concerned about all their name, and health of stud dogs and brood bitches and about any pups they may produce. Each pup must be placed in forever, loving homes and to do this takes a lot of time and patience. Most breeders do not attempt a breeding unless they already have pups, from a prospective litter, placed and deposits secured.

    They do not want to produce a litter, only to discover later, there are not enough good homes available for their pups to live out their lives in peace and happiness.

    Very careful screening of potential buyers must also take place to ensure their pups have the best homes possible. Again, this takes a great deal of time and time is money!



    So, the next time, you wonder why Bulldogs are so expensive, maybe these few reasons mentioned here will help you in understanding that breeding Bulldogs and raising pups is not for the faint of heart! A good breeder is dedicated to producing the very best pups possible, simply because these breeders are focused on making the next litter better than the preceding litter. Most breeders are breeding for that next Champion dog and/or bitch. And, if they had all the money in the world, they would probably never sell any of their companion quality pups.....they would spay or neuter them and let them live out their lives on their sofa.

    If you cannot afford the purchase price of any breed of dog, please consider an Budgie or a Gold fish....:D

    as quoted by andrew brain...celticpride bulldogs uk

    does that answer your question brainless...? :confused:
     
  15. Brainless

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    Not really as health issues are tested for in many breeds (few bulldogs are hip scored I see).

    C sections are not based on breed, and arguably an elective section should cost less as can be pre arranged rather than an emergency.

    I have spoken to Bulldog breeders who do feel the breed is overpriced, and I can agree the costs may be more than an average easy whelping and rearing breed, but to justify pups at three times the price of most breeds?????

    Also with such a numerically large breed why is more not being done to get back to natural mating, whelping and mothering traits?

    Why is there such wide acceptance of such unnatural reproduction?

    It is only the advances in veterinary obstetrics that have allowed this to happen. Bulldogs used to breed naturally, they had to.
     
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    Hi i've just joined noticed you breed Bulldogs could you please read my introduction Re Bulldog Puppies Stolen Thanks Cazal
     
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    i feel i have justified the price in my last post......i, as a breeder am striving for the perfect healthy bulldog, one that does not need c section, one that does not have health issues, one that will be able to breed naturally, will i ever manage it? who knows but i wont stop trying. a lot of the problems in bulldog breeding is people wanting to make a buck and not doing their homework before they breed 2 bulldogs. its not that easy, you need to look at their lines, their health, their history. if you want to make money dog breeding..... do not buy bulldogs, thats all im going to say on this matter.
     
  18. garryd

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    Bullyb is it true that the best dred bulldogs was back in the 1950-60s as they was more muscular back then more so than fat ! and did not suffer with as many health problems and could give burth natrualy !??? just what i thought i read somehere once !??
     
  19. Brainless

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    I am pleased that strides are being made to get the breed back on track re natural reproduction and better health.

    I suspect though the high prices for pups attract the wrong sort of people to breeding them without caring about the breeds long term health and viability.

    At £1800 or more a puppy a backyard breeder who doesn't spend on researching health, doesn't spend on hip scoring, eye testing, getting the breed club recommended health certificate is going to make a tidy sum even after a C section.

    The fact that the pups are likely to have Cherry eye, breathing difficulties and a short life they are not interested in, as they have already banked the money, and few puppy owners will hold them accountable.

    They can make a lot more money from selling Bulldog pups with no health testing than say Golden Retrievers.

    I am pleased to say the Bulldogs I have met at shows have generally been much more healthy looking specimens than those I have met in Pet homes.

    Near me is a reputable bulldog breeder and her dogs are great, being active and fit, and appear healthy.

    Those in the breed to exploit it are the ones that give the general impression of the breed as an unhealthy caricature, which is used as a bat to beat all pedigree breeders with, that pedigree dogs are inherently unhealthy.
     
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    we have just started showing our dogs also have a website, Mearnspride Bulldogs, Scotland - Home
     
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