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Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Maggie2, Jun 7, 2010.


  1. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi all,

    I have been reading through many of your posts and taking it all in

    I was wondering if you could all chuck me some advice on breeding

    This would be new to myself but something that i am willing to and have been researching now for a several months, then i thought who better to ask than the people who know best..all of you :)

    i look forward to any responses and i am fully aware of the risks with breeding and the time and dedication to the bitch and her puppies, my little girls health comes first every time no matter what :thumbup:

    thanks :)
     
  2. Lucy1012

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    What breed of dog are you considering breeding?? I have just had my first litter and like you i researched until i was probably a little too over read to the point of confusion.

    The amount of time needed to raise a litter, think of the amount of hours and you can easily double it.

    A good place to start is looking at the KC website and seeing what health tests your dog needs, hip scoring, eye tests etc and starting with those, then you need to start finding a suitable stud dog which is easier said than done. I thought we had used a brilliant dog, but it turns out that there are some details in his health history that didn't come to light until 5 weeks into my bitches pregnancy, not a mistake i will be making again.

    The whelping itself was one of the most tiring, traumatic but exhilerating experiences that i have ever been through, 9 pupss were born fine, then puppy number 10 was born feet first without a sack and was literally stuck. Scared the life out of me. Nothing is text book.

    Then once they were born Maisie's milk production was not quick enough to feed 10 big pups, so supplement feeding was needed. Vet trips etc.

    All in all the initial amount of cash laid out so far is totalling over £2000

    All that said I am loving every minute of it, and have bred some very lovely puppies, all of which are a credit to the breed, and would do it again and again. Mind you the puppies are only 2 weeks old and not yet chewing my house to pieces, so ask me again in 3 more weeks lol
     
  3. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    Thank you so much for replying and congrats on your puppies and very well done to your bitch bless her

    My little girl is a Shar-pei Fawn she is KC Registered

    I have been researching on the KC Website / internet / libary and have also spoken with my vet in reference to Hip / eye scoring only to find that they do not do the eye tests only the hips...so i research on

    This being very early as yet but i want to plan WELL in advance and have enough knowledge and be the best i can for her if we decide to go ahead as she is only just 1 years old so i have loads of time yet, she is still enjoying being a little girl at the moment lol :):):)
     
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    I too have just bred my 1st litter (pups now 9 weeks old, last pup apart from the 1 I'm keeping went to her new home yesterday). Start with the health tests, not sure what Shar Pei's need, but I have Border Collies and I had to have hip score, DNA tests for CEA/CH, CL and TNS, BVA eye tests for PRA and gonioscopy (predisposition to glaucoma, not yet recognised as a test Border Collies need, but is showing up in the breed) and BAER hearing test. Then access your bitches temperament, I wouldn't breed from anything with less than a perfect temperament, then access her conformation (breed showing or a good breeder's assesment), I do agility, so in my case it was her working ability at agility. Then you need to find a stud dog that will compliment your bitch, this took me 2 years to find the stud dog I liked. Then there's the mating, my bitch wasn't too keen on this and after several trips (over 1.5 hours each way) the stud dog owner had her stay there for a couple of days and got 2 successful matings. Then there's the wait to see if she's pregnant (I think this is the hardest part), I had her blood tested (relaxin) at 22 days and then scanned at 29 days. You need to get all your whelping kit together. Then there's the birth, Skye had an easy whelping, but then Border Collies rarely have problems, you need to look into how much a c-section may cost you, especially an emergency in the middle of the night (I found out it would cost about £2000). You need to be able to spend about 3 weeks 24 hours a day with your bitch, about 4-5 days before she has them just in case she has them early and then for at least 2 weeks after as she may roll on a pup by mistake. Pups may need to be hand reared and that's every couple of hours night and day for about 3 weeks. Then from about 4 weeks they need to be cleared up after, it was alot of hard work, but well worth it. Pups may need health tests before going to their new homes, I had to have BVA eye tests and BAER hearing tests and I also had their 1st vaccs done with a general check over by vet. Then obviously there's the pups leaving which is quite upsetting as they have become part of the family!
    This litter cost me over £2000, she only had 4 pups and I kept 1, I sold the other pups for £450 each, so got £1350 back, in essence the pup I kept cost me about £750, it would have been cheaper for me to buy a pup in, but I think it was worth it!
     
  5. swarthy

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    The eye tests are done by a small specialist panel -

    BVA - Eye Scheme

    With regards to hips and elbows, please be 100% confident in your vets ability to take good plates - it is very easy to make a set of plates look much worse than they actually are - there are a small but increasing number who feel they would like to see a similar panel of vets for hips and elbows as we do for eye testing - you wouldn't believe the horror stories I've heard from people using their own (later to be discovered) novice vet in taking good plates :(.

    Unfortunately, once those plates are taken, you are stuck with that score for life - and even under appeal, you have to use the same x-rays - so very important to get it right.

    Ask around other breeders in your area what vet they use / recommend - I travel around 190 mile round trip for my plates, and I know of some who travel much further.
     
  6. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    congrats on your puppies too :) bet it was so hard to see them go :(

    i really apreciate all the time you have taken to reply as every little bit helps in my knowledge

    I will deff check all the areas and test that need to be done to ensure she is in perfect health and also search long and hard for a stud male, i have been looking at a few advertised but just to see who is out there and of course which will best compliment her

    i see various different stud / breeders ask for either a fee or pick of litter, how did this all work out for you?i also have read that some people draw up contracts but unsure if this is a popular thing either :)
     
  7. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    thanks for the message

    in reference to the hip / eye tests i have been speaking with the breeder that i had my little girl from and he takes all his dogs / bitches and puppies to a specalist which is roughly 1 hour from me, so i think ill be giving them a call as the particular vet there specalizes in Shar-pei's :)

    only the best :)
     
  8. lauren001

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    I think that the Sharpei is not a particularly healthy breed with many issues. Dr. Vidt's Website - Health Issues

    I would get your girl fully checked out regarding any available test including many blood tests before breeding her.
    I would also check out your girls pedigree and try and gain as much information about her lines too before breeding her. Bear in mind that many breeders will not tell the truth regarding health issues especially genetic ones so be aware of that. Find out if her relatives/ancestors are still healthy and alive and health tested and note down any problems that you do encounter and work out the risks of your girl or her offspring being affected if it is a genetic problem.

    The Sharpei was originally a fighting dog so temperament is so important in these dogs, any sign that your bitch is any less than 100% in the temperament stakes then I would think very carefully about breeding from her.

    Your breeder is a good port of call in sussing out suitable males for you, ringing around ones advertised could land you in lots of trouble.

    I would also keep a good eye on puppy sales and the number of Shar-pei breeders in your area. If they are having difficulty selling pups or there are lots of older pups still being advertised that would also ring an alarm bell for me too, you do not want to be left with 6-10 pups with no homes to go to.
     
  9. swarthy

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    Yes, it seems a bit of a hassle at the time, but it really is worth it for peace of mind in the long run.

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    Re: Stud fee / pick of litter

    Personally, my preference would always be for paying the stud fee - but then if / when my boy is used - if there was a particularly nice show quality bitch - I might just change my mind :eek: so would never say never :lol:

    In my own breed, which is numerically very large, breeders really can pick the creme de la creme - in breeds with smaller gene pools, I am guessing that POL possibly happens a fair bit more (but that is an assumption).

    re: contracts - as an accredited breeder, it's a mandatory requirement, and I do a puppy pack with contract and a separate breeding endorsements agreement contract.

    The breeding endorsements is particularly key IMO - as it stops the offspring being registered with the KC unless you lift them and it is advisable you specify the terms under which you would lift them at the outset, e.g. hip score, clear eye test, elbow scores etc.

    While it won't stop someone breeding, it does help you have some element of 'control' over your lineage, and could also deter prospective owners who may have undesierable intentions you are unaware of.
     
  10. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    I have just spoken with a very nice lady from the Shar-pei Club of GB and she has informed me that there are currently no tests that can be carried out for shar-peis but advised that to have her hips checked wouldnt be a bad thing... i will search further in this area :)
     
  11. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    thanks for both your messages

    i'm glad that your all here to help and give advice, its defineately going to take alot more research into my little girls history and be sure everything is ok before i go ahead with anything... still got a good year to research yet :)
     
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    That's sounds very sensible. Good luck with your research.:)
     
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    Do you show? If not it would be a good idea if you can find someone who really knows the breed well, preferably a judge, breeder or exhibitor and ask them what they honestly think of your dogs confirmation.

    Another opinion can be very helpful in deciding whether or not she is a good enough specimen to breed from and also to help you know what to look from in a stud.
     
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    You are local to me. I am very familiar with sharpeis. I help to train them at the local ringcraft society, when I'm not in a wheelchair. Your best bet would be to come to our ringcraft society. One of the top men in the breed come to it with a couple of champions. He will definitely be able to point you in the right direction.
    PM me if you want the details of the ringcraft society and/ or my mate.
     
  15. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    :)hi thanks for messages. you have pm

    i dont show my shar-pei no. but am deff going to let someone have a look at her first thanks
     
  16. Maggie2

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    just want to thank all those people who replied i really do apreciate all your help and advice

    and an extra big thanks to Tanya :thumbup:
     
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    Thankyou, but its no problem at all. :)
     
  18. Maggie2

    Maggie2 PetForums Newbie

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    i know have my little girl on my avatar

    hope you can see it she is ready for the world cup lol :)
     
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