Breeding for money

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Sleeping_Lion, Nov 1, 2013.


  1. rocco33

    rocco33 PetForums VIP

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    Did you have any contract? What did you agree ? How do you know this person who 'gave' you a dog?
    I agree that the best thing would be to get her spayed.
     
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    PS - paperwork is irrelevant to ownership.
     
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    We thought she had pyometra *shrugs* only thing we could do was spay
     
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    hi likes been said id get her speyed asap, id also get in touch with the citizens advice if your in the uk and maybe have her stay with a famioy member if you can for now as 2 similar stories i know of one was my husband (before i met him) who was given a saluki once she was at an age to breed from the old owners wanted her back my husband said no and one day not long after when he went into a shop he had her tied up outside only to find her gone when he got out hes in no doubt these people stole her so thry coukd breed from her (very rough bunch of guys aswell) sadly my husband coukdnt do anything as 1 he didnt know where these people were their names etc. And there was no proof she was ever his dog. I still feel he should have fought for her though qnd tried to get her back. Another story was a one in the newspaper about 6months ago of someone asking for an akita back they had given to someone and ended up breaking into the house and stealing the dog. Im not sure what happened regarding this story though. Not trying to scare you with hose stories but if he person is quite rough with a reputation id personally take extra safety measures for your dog for now. Really hope you get this sorted.
     
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  5. Doodle_guy_USA

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    I do believe the type of dog you breed factors into it. Obviously, if you breed dogs that have a reputation for inherent health issues, your cost/profit margin will suffer.
    I haven't had a lot of experience breeding, but my friend bred for 14 years. Most of that time he bred yellow, black, and chocolate labs. Even with champion bloodlines he never made much money, but then he started breeding labradoodles. Less health issues due to genetic "vigor", and 3 times the purchase price meant a very visible increase in profit and decrease in cost. Not to say he never had issues again, but obviously there's a difference in cost involved depending on your selected breed, and a vast difference in purchase price. Easy money? Certainly not. But I've seen the difference by observation of his changes.
     
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    Doodle_guy_USA PetForums Newbie

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    It's already been said, but I'll reiterate, spay her. Looks like your only other option is to fight a losing court battle. Once she's spayed, he won't want her.
     
  7. rocco33

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    Not true - the labradoodle BMI for hips is higher than labradors. So much of genetic 'vigor'. Actually, there is a degree of truth to hybrid vigour however, it is very small and only applies to first crosses. Although I take the point that these unscrupulous breeders charge much higher prices for labradoodles than labradors (or poodles).
     
  8. lostbear

    lostbear Bear right at Newcastle . . .

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    Dead right!

    I think as well that there is a huge difference between a dog which has "earned" the right to breed by being fitter, faster, stronger - things that evolution would tend to in feral or even stray dogs - and a dog that is being bred because it can produce a nice little expensive litter. These latter dogs can have anything wrong with them, and there is nothing to say that the puppies they produce won't have the sire's dodgy hips AND the dam's PRA )or whatever). Putting two breeds together does not automatically mean that they cancel out each other's weak points. You'll only get healthy pups if you have healthy parents. And people who don't know genetics (I include myself in this category - it really makes my brain hurt) and pretend that they do and everything in the garden is lovely, are nothing but frauds.

    I see litteres - particularly for French bulldogs, for some reason - which are advertised with a string of rubbish in the body of the advert obviously meant to impress
    e.g. http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classif...reg-french-bulldog-puppies-south-shields.html Which states "Dad is Black and Tan (AT/A, DD, BB) carries Blue and chocolate!"

    and
    http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classif...ted-kc-reg-ay-at-d-d-bb-ky-ky-darlington.html


    Well - what the hell does that mean? (this isn't the worst I've seen - most are much worse, but sod's law mean that there wasn't one when I wanted it.)

    These pups are very special, though as their parents can apparently levitate.
    http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classif...r-and-lilac-producer-puppies-east-boldon.html

    The most dreadful thing about these ads though, is that they are obviously aimed at people who want to breed. If you want a puppy as a pet, you aren't bothered what colours they "carry". You want good health, good temperament and possibly some particular characteristics )e.g. non-shedding). Why would it matter if your apricot poodle had a chocolate grand-dad or whatever - you aren't ever going to see that in your dog. These crappy ads are aimed at people who want to make money out of animals. They should be banned.
     
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  9. DecantPet

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    All I know is that they all make money at some point.
     
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  10. SpicyBulldog

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    Then you do not know the definition of PROFIT.

    Seriously? No way. If what you mean by "make money" is profit then no. Just because you have a transaction, where money changes hands, it doesn't mean the receiver actually made money.
     
  11. AceOfSpades113

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    If you breed right, and want to set the pups up for life, you won't make a penny. Feeding, health testing, ultrasound, whelping box, supplements, endless hours, and thats before the puppies are born. Then the fun really begins with vets, helping mum where required, introducing them to things they will experience in life such as the hoover, shaking of bags, grass, concrete, carpet.. Then its time to maybe think about reservations, socialising with other animals (dogs, cats, rabbits, everything.) looking into people, spending countless hours finding the perfect homes that fit each personality of the pup, and lets not even start on the lifetime of support you should offer, possibly having to take back an out of control, possibly aggressive dog five years later and begin the fun of paying behaviourists and trainers to help find its problem. Any profit you make quickly goes out the window, when your dogs get older vet bills will rise, the only reason to breed is if your dogs have more to give them just a pretty face and wagging tail, which while it might be disappointing, most don't. Perfect pets don't make perfect breeding candidates.
     
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    Since you are in the USA and this is a UK forum, you really have no idea whether the OP is likely to win. I reiterate what everyone has said - Get her spayed. If he cared about the dog at all, he wouldn't have given her away and he wouldn't want her back just to breed from her. Is she a family member or a commodity?
     
  13. Beccajubb2015

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    What is idexx testing?
     
  14. Rafa

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    Well, this old post of yours is a good one.

    When I was selling my puppies, my first priority was the best possible home, not searching round for who would pay the highest price.
     
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  15. joelmarks

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    A dog breeder can be a a rewarding experience if you can deal with all the hassle involve in your dog breeding activities. You can take pleasure in the joy of adding a new member into a new family, as well as create lifelong friendships.
     
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    Hi, I just recieved a min pin who needed a new home. Ive never had a small dog before. I found out that he needs to be neutered & his shots arent up to date. Hes 2 yrs old (I think) His previous owners were what I would call very irresponsible. Even though, the dog is a pedigree,they couldnt find any of his papers. I dont care about his pedigree papers but I would like his medical history. Im trying now to just get the vets name. Anyway, I wanted to ask if it is alright to get a 3 year rabies shot or should I just get a 1 year shot?
     
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    Are you in the UK? If you are, there is no need for a rabies shot at all unless you are planning on taking the dog abroad, which is yet another question.
     
  18. Daisy the Great Dane

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    I understand where you're coming from. I used to breed pedigree Great Danes here in nz and they're also a lot just to breed one litter. Especially the care of the puppies until they are with their new families.
     
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    This person ranting really instead of spending a bomb why don't you just have your dog as a pet and not breed her if it's putting you in the red. People do think breeders earn loads of money because of puppy farms that I'm really sure your not. So when somebody comes to buy a pup off you and you haven't got 60 dogs barking in the background then why wouldn't they trust you and know your not just in it for money. I don't see anything wrong with having 2 well trained good behaviour dogs that are health checked and kc reg breeded cared for and given everything they need in the correct order. These dogs can be healthy aswell you know .I think you have gone abit too deep into things but that's my opinion
     
  20. Burrowzig

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    I do. Dogs for breeding should be health TESTED not checked. This involves checking DNA for inheritable problems and ensuring that no affected pups could be produced. And as for breeding your own two dogs together - that's something good breeders don't do. They seek out the best dog to complement their bitch, be in terms of conformation if it's a show dog, or (like mine) working ability, taking account of health and temperament throughout.