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breeding dogs with poor temperament, is it ever justified???

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Shamen, May 29, 2010.


  1. Shamen

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    i always believed a sound temperament was paramount but it seems some breeders see no wrong in breeding a dog who cant be trusted not to bite:confused:, what are your opinions on this please??
     
  2. sequeena

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    I assume by poor temperament you mean 'aggression'? Fear aggression etc?

    No I don't think you should breed from these dogs, even if they win BOB at crufts or have won many champion titles.

    When my OH brought Luna home he told me the dad was good as gold but the mum had to be put outside because she would not tolerate strangers in the house and would let you know you were unwelcome.

    Luna has grown up to be a sweetheart but she has an innate fear of men. Sometimes she'll back away from them, most of the time she will bark at them. She has fears of inanimate objects - the newest fear being my ohs exercise bike! She does not like other dogs either.

    I wonder where she got her temperament :rolleyes: I'd never dream of breeding from her, her pups would be even crazier.
     
  3. vizzy24

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    No, It can never be justified ever, ever. :mad:
     
  4. alaun

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    No it isn't
     
  5. flufffluff39

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    Not at all :(
     
  6. Starlite

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    Define poor temperament tho,

    a dog who has a fear of buses?
    One who hasnt been raise with kids and is therefore afraid of them?
    One who is same sex aggressive?
    One who doesnt like cats?

    Many people will have differing views of poor temperament
     
  7. Shamen

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    one who has been raised with kids but still cant be trusted them.
     
  8. JANICE199

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    I'm just curious, does it always follow through that if a dog has a bad temperament their offspring will?:confused:
     
  9. Starlite

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    i would have to say no, its the old "nature vs nurture debate" that has been raging for decades but prevention is better than cure imo

    Shamen i would not breed from a dog who has been raised with children but still wont trust them as i believe a good breeding dog should be a well balanced one, which in that case would not be x
     
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  10. Shamen

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    it can be inherited or it can be nurture/upbringing, so imo its too great a risk to breed and produce puppies who have unpredictable temperaments.
     
  11. EmCHammer

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    Did anyone watch that program about dogs ages ago; whereby somewhere in russia they were experimenting with foxes (ok so not quit edogs) but they had some very tame and friendly foxes and some completely wild ones that people couldn't go near and would bite...

    They did things like swapping the fertlised eggs over from the wild ones into the pet ones to see what would win out nature/nurture... and even with the chilled out people firendly foxes bringing up the babies of the wild ones they turned aggressive.
     
  12. Shamen

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    the Dmitry Belyaev experiment on the domestication of the foxes is a good example that proves temperament is inherited, thanks EmCHammer:)

    thats not to say that a dog who was born with a good nature cant be spoiled by its upbringing.
     
  13. billyboysmammy

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    I think unless the dog you have holds the cure in its genes for some other terrible incurable inheritable illness then there is absoloutly no excuse for breeding from a dog with a questionable temperament.


    A dogs temperament issues could be Dog to dog agression, same sex agression, fear agression (e.g. afraid of things when out walking), child agression, etc.

    I'm not talking about puppy mouthing, teenage phase, etc I mean real agression from the adult dogs.

    Its one of the other reasons for me as to why a dog should be fully mature before it can be considered suitable to breed from.
     
  14. thedogsmother

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    Henricks mum was very nervous aggressive, if I had know better then I would have walked away, he was away from his mum from 3 weeks old as she got ill so he didnt learn any fear behaviour from her but its taken till very recently (hes 22 months) to get him over his fear, hes still scared of bikes but he was run into by one so I can let him have that fear. I do worry about all his brothers and sisters whose owners (one owner took two littermates:eek:) perhaps didnt spend hours and hours socialising their puppy like I did with Henrick. So basically no I dont think any dog who shows a poor temperament should be bred from.
     
  15. Sleeping_Lion

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    That would be all dogs to me :confused:

    Dogs cannot be trusted to be left with kids who sometimes pull, prod, poke, even a very good natured dog would be hard pushed to put up with my niece! Whether you're one foot or two feet away, a dog can react to the right provocation.

    To answer your question, breeding from dogs with poor temperaments is wrong to me, unfortunately some people put conformation/ability/health tests first :(
     
  16. luvmydogs

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    It is never ever justified in my opinion.
     
  17. momentofmadness

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    I watched something like that and they said it took years and years of breeding from agressive then their young then their young etc till they got the foxes that were friendly.. Don't know how it worked..
     
  18. momentofmadness

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    You can't trust any animal 100%.. And if you think you can your stupid and I don't care who you are...

    You can't even trust some humans and they can speak!

    Not trying to offend anyone. xxx
     
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  19. Shamen

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    Im not talking about common sense where dogs and kids are concerned;) im talking about someone for example who claims their dog is snappy and is worried about it around kids, and is also a breed renowned for its fantastic temperament.

    no the foxes who became tame were selectively bred by choosing the most friendly foxes and not the most aggressive;)
     
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  20. rocco33

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    No, it can never be justified and that goes for whether a show, working or pet dog.

    I also don't buy excuses that any problems they have were because 'they were attacked as puppies', 'they haven't been socialised around kids' etc. I doesn't matter whether it is inherited or due to environmental factors - the answer is still the same - NEVER.
     
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