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Border Collie eye tests

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Jenny Olley, Jan 13, 2008.


  1. Jenny Olley

    Jenny Olley PetForums VIP

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    Our Border Collie bitch was litter tested at 6 weeks old for CEA, and passed, as did all the litter. Should she be eye tested before we breed from her, I note from her reg certificate her sire is uneffected by CEA, CPRA and PLL, should she be tested for all of these. Can these be done ator local vets or is it a more specialist thing.
     
  2. leoti

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    She won't need testing for CEA again butif she hasn't been tested for CPRA, PLL and TNS then proably best to get her tested , my bitch is clear by parentage for all these hope this helps sure some one with more experince will be along soon
     
  3. Jenny Olley

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    Thanks Leoti.
     
  4. Debbie

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    Hi Jenny - you will need a specialist vets - not all vets know what they are doing regarding the eye tests :)
    If you need some vets let me know and I can put some up for you. :)

    Where abouts in the country are you?
     
  5. Jenny Olley

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    Thanks Debbie that would be very helpful, we are in east yorks. I assumed it was a specialist thing as you sometimes get units visiting obedience shows however we do a different sport, we could visit just to get her eyes tested, but the season doesn't start again until April, and then we would have to wait until a unit was scheduled to come.
     
  6. Debbie

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    Theres one in Preston - Mr Stuart Ellis - Riverbank Veterinary Practice
    16/22 WATERY LANE
    PRESTON
    LANCS
    O1772 726745

    He comes very highly recommended by many people and is by far the best person in the country for eye testing.
    Give them a ring and ask about the tests they are VERY helpful and will explain everything to you.
    There is one in West Yorkshire but from what I have heard of him hes a nasty peice of work and people would rather travel to Mr Ellis in Preston.
    I know theres one in Newark and somewhere in the North East but I would have to find those out for you if you needed them.
    Hope that helps :)
     
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  7. Brainless

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    Eye testing should be annual for those conditions that there is no DNA test for.

    Mr Ellis does our eye testing at our club shows.

    You can see a full list of eye panelists here: http://www.bva.co.uk/public/chs/EP_LIST_July_2007.doc

    This KC page gives links to the eye conditions for each breed of schedules A (affected) and B (under investigation) The BVA/KC/ISDS Eye Scheme - The Kennel Club
     
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  8. Jenny Olley

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    Thank you Debbie for you help, Preston is fine, after all we travel all over the country to compete, he sounds really good, I will be contacting him shortly. Thank you also Brainless for the info.
     
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    No problem Jenny - I would by far want to use a vet that comes highly recommended by other dog owners - its such a mine field out there - hope the tests come back good for you :)
     
  10. Majestic Mayhem

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    Is this a pet we're talking about?

    I have a 2 1/2 Y/O working sheep dog (Border Collie by any other name), she can hear my commands and spot a wood pigeon to chase at about half a mile!

    I won't hesitate to breed from her!

    I won't buckle into pressure from the Kennel Club to make ALL border collies CLONES! They are all individual and totally lovable as they are!

    AND........ the best herding dogs in the world! :)
     
  11. Jenny Olley

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    She is actually my husbands dog, she competes in working trials at the highest level, we would be looking for a sire who is also working high level competition either working trials or obedience, her father is an OB CH. Obviously any off spring will be going to competition homes, so I would want to take any steps available to me to ensure she does not carry any sort of eye disease.
    I on the other hand have a working Sheep dog (a border Collie to everyone except the kennel club), who also works high level working trials, I will not be breeding from her, although she is a fantastic working dog, for purely selfish reasons, I don't want to take time out from competing, and don't want to risk anything happening to her. So would never have her eyes tested, there would be no point.
    Getting back to the kennel club and registration on the activity dog register, if you have a Labrador or GSD or any other breed you can register them as a lab or GSD on the activity register. If it is a BC it has to be registered as a WSD, my little bitch has never worked sheep in her life, infact I don't think she would be much good, she doesn't have strong eye.
     
  12. leoti

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    Hi jenny if you come to preston pop alon to blackpool and say hi if you fancy meeting up let me know will get my mobile number to you we could take dogs on beach :)
     
  13. Brainless

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    How do you know you really have a border collie if it isn't KC or ISDS registered?


    In fact the International Sheepdogs breeding standards are far higher than those of the Kennel club. All ISDS registered dogs can be registered on the KC breed register, but not the other way around.

    If no selection for appropriate breed characteristics (chasing pigeons is not one of them) and ability is undertaken then what is the point of breeding. The most individualistic and variable dogs are mongrels, but you won't know what your getting.

    A breed is such by being unique to any other breed and breeding true (being alike within fairly narrow parameters).

    No selection eventually no breed.

    As with most breeds, but this one in particular there are more than enough bred already to satisfy demands for working and show, and the surplus in these litters as pets, without breeding any more without good reason.
     
  14. Jenny Olley

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    Thank you very much for your kind offer, but i will have my husband with me and he will just want to get there and back.
     
  15. Jenny Olley

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    You can often tell a Border Collie is a border collie, regardless of papers. My husbands is ISDS & KC Reg, mine is just activity registered, but she looks like, behaves like, works like and has the dopamine levels of a border collie - she is a border collie.
     
  16. Brainless

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    Not so easy with a litter of pups though.

    A good Obedience friend (well retired due to health) had a lovely male, but he definitely was mostly collie, there was something about the ears and stance that was foreign,a nd she suspects he had Labrador in him somewhere.

    His offspring were often entered at Exemption shows in the non pedigree classes,a nd she used to get told off for entering her collie :D

    I wouldn't want to breed from anything without a traceable, especially health wise, ancestry.

    It is hard enough to produce what you want when you know for sure what you have got :D

    Which is why I don't agree with breeding from unregistered stock, I want more than one generation of health info known.

    I love the Finnish Kennel Club breed register. It is open for anyone to view.

    Put in a dog name and you will get his pedigree for as many generations as you want, the inbreeding coefficient. The dogs show and in my breed hunting wins/scores.

    it will show how many litters he sired, what the health test results are for tested offspring, sibling, half siblings etc.

    I know for example that the dog I used had sired six litters with predominantly Male offspring (that's what I got too) and was a hip improver as his owners bitch was less good, which is why she imported him from Norway.

    You can find out all this without even having to contact the breeder or stud owner, all in the open for all to know.

    Having this information on health especially reassures me that the pups I breed have the odds stacked in their favour for if nothing else, being healthy, and good natured (as of course temperament is overriding important).

    When I looked at importing a dog and putting it through quarantine I researched the breeding and the characters of the kennel. the line was known for being mentally very sound and in fact the only Obedience champions in the breed are from this kennel, and any dogs working well in that area all are strongly of those lines.

    the pup we had in at 9 weeks came out of quarantine at 8 1/2 months as well rounded as a fully socialised pup would have been. He was at a show 3 days later enjoying the crowds of people and dogs, bomb proof. Only negative was he wasn't house trained and he hated the car.

    Of course I expect the dogs to be great looking too :D
     
  17. Jenny Olley

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    KC reg is only as honest as the person registering them, but I agree when you know a breed well you can immediately recognise when theres a bit of something else in there..
     
  18. nicolajayne

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    Would I be able to register my border collie?
    She came from a working farm so both her parents are pure sheep dogs from a good line, not for show sheep trials but actual farming.
    I had her off my fathers friend so could probably get info about parents if needed.
    I don't intend to breed from her or anything but thought it was a cute idea to have papers for her.
     
  19. leoti

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    you would proably be able to register her with the ISDS but not the Kennel club unless you registered her on the Activity Register

    Any dog of any ancestry may be registered in the Activity Register. Any dog on this register may then compete in Agility, Flyball, Heelwork to Music, Obedience, and Working Trials competitions
     
  20. Oenoke

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    If both her parents are ISDS registered (or she is herself) you can get her KC registered using http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/download/7448/Form-9.pdf

    If not then you can only register her on the KC activities register and she would be a working sheepdog.
     
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