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Are you a Backyard Breeder (BYB)? - QUIZ

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#1 · (Edited)
Take this anonymous quiz here:

http://myquizcreator.com/take/5239

It's at best a very rough guide but maybe 'food for thought'? ;-)

The HIGHER your % score, the LESS likely it is that you are a BYB, and thus the MORE likely it is that you are a Responsible Breeder :)
 
#4 ·
You could do all those things and still be a BYB! - There is also no correct answer like suggested once you have taken the quiz, breeding is not a black and white area.

- Like for example (do you own the stud) - If you select yes, your told that the answer is incorrect - not the case, sometimes a well established breeder will buy in a dog, and later down the line out cross it to one of their home bred girls, or similar.

Not being picky like. ;)
 
#5 ·
You could do all those things and still be a BYB! - There is also no correct answer like suggested once you have taken the quiz, breeding is not a black and white area.

- Like for example (do you own the stud) - If you select yes, your told that the answer is incorrect - not the case, sometimes a well established breeder will buy in a dog, and later down the line out cross it to one of their home bred girls, or similar.

Not being picky like. ;)
I thought the same as you DD, lol lol!! :laugh:
 
#6 ·
You could do all those things and still be a BYB! - There is also no correct answer like suggested once you have taken the quiz, breeding is not a black and white area.

- Like for example (do you own the stud) - If you select yes, your told that the answer is incorrect - not the case, sometimes a well established breeder will buy in a dog, and later down the line out cross it to one of their home bred girls, or similar.

Not being picky like. ;)
Not looked at the quiz - but yes - this is a key issue. I've used three studs, total travelling distance around 45 hours :eek: During that time, I've had my own boys here, NOW, I am thinking of using one of my own boys on my next litter - one has yet to be health-tested so obviously it depends on the results -

Total max cost of using an outside stud dog - ÂŁ500 plus travel

Total max cost of using one of the dogs I've brought in - cÂŁ1,400 - plus travel for viewing litters and collecting pups

mmmmmmm

I know someone else who used their own stud dog, produced a cracking litter - went to three outside dogs and and got nothing they could keep for show / breeding on - no surprise they went back to their own stud dog with a different bitch - and guess what - they produced another cracking litter from which they kept.

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I get irate when people advise that you should see 'mum' and 'dad' at the breeders because the in-house dog may not be the best for the bitch - BUT - most people with long term plans will bring in dogs where they've heavily researched the breeding, know the pedigrees and hope, if things pan out as intended, to be able to use them at some point on their own lines

That has certainly been my long term intention with both boys I've brought in and believe me - if you heard the whinging that can go on at "ready times" - you would doubly understand why going out and using an external dog is both cheaper and easier on the headaches than keeping your own :rolleyes:

It also tickles me (NOT) how many people have accidental un-noticed matings, but when you actually WANT to mate two of your own dogs and done everything right, they would rather play or go to sleep :rolleyes:
 
#7 · (Edited)
Thought I'd update this thread with results so far as not sure people can see this??? Before I do, yes, there are some 'grey areas' particularly the 'do you own the stud dog' ;-) but I hope you find it interesting nonetheless:

A total of 38 people have taken your quiz.
The average score for this quiz was 77.868421052632%!

Question #1: Do you own the stud dog that is used on your bitch? - Average of 73.684210526316% correct
Answer #1: No - 28 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 10 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #2: Could you list right now what is in the KC Breed Standard for your breed of dog/s? - Average of 84.210526315789% correct
Answer #1: No - 6 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 32 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #3: Have you ever used a non BVA Health Tested Sire? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #4: Have you ever sold two pups or more at the same time to a novice? - Average of 100% correct
Answer #1: No - 38 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #5: Does your pups' pedigrees include many dogs who have obtained show titles/working certificates? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #6: Could you list right now the potential genetic defects of your breed? - Average of 76.315789473684% correct
Answer #1: No - 9 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 29 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #7: What age did your bitch have her first litter? - Average of 76.315789473684% correct
Answer #1: Under 12 months old - 1 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Between 12 and 24 months old - 8 people have chosen this
Answer #3: 24 months and over but under five years old - 29 people have chosen this
Answer #4: Over five years old - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #8: Why did you/do you breed? - Average of 78.947368421053% correct
Answer #1: Wanted to replicate my existing dog/s - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Needed an additional income - 1 people have chosen this
Answer #3: To improve my own dogs, the bloodlines and the breed - 30 people have chosen this
Answer #4: It is good for the bitch, healthwise, to have a litter - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #9: Do your breeding dogs have the relevant BVA Health Tests? - Average of 86.842105263158% correct
Answer #1: No - 5 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 33 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #10: Are your breeding dogs Kennel Club Registered? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #11: Do you compete in any of the following: conformation, obedience, agility, Gundog, Working Trials etc - Average of 57.894736842105% correct
Answer #1: No - 16 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 22 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #12: Do you belong to any Dog and/or Breed Clubs & organisations? - Average of 57.894736842105% correct
Answer #1: No - 16 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 22 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #13: Do you always follow up on your puppies' health and well-being? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 3 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Sometimes - 4 people have chosen this
Answer #3: Yes - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #14: Have you ever repeated a breeding (same Sire & Dam)? - Average of 78.947368421053% correct
Answer #1: No - 30 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 8 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #15: Are your puppies sold with contracts including Breeding Endorsements & return of puppy? - Average of 71.052631578947% correct
Answer #1: No - 11 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 27 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this
 
#8 ·
I have not taken the quiz because too many of the questions are flawed (sorry :eek:)

Question #3: Have you ever used a non BVA Health Tested Sire? - Average of 82.758620689655% correct

What is the correct answer? NO? what if I've used a stud dog from America, Australia, Europe? they won't have BVA Health test results, they will be therefore be a "Non BVA Health Tested Sire" - so my answer would be 'incorrect' - even though studs in some countries undergo MORE health tests than those in the UK.

Question #5: Does your pups' pedigrees include many dogs who have obtained show titles/working certificates? - Average of 79.310344827586% correct

What does this mean? absolutely NOTHING - and is a dangerous perception for people who breed - red doesn't mean good any more than black doesn't mean bad (Red = titled - Black = Not titled)

Two of the most influential dogs in my breed in the last 25 years are not titled - but their influence on the breed has been nothing short of PHENOMENAL - one of them has two tickets I believe - but is black on the pedigree

One of my own show bitch's dam isn't titled - however - she has her Show Gun Working Certificate, 2 tickets and 7 reserve tickets - but on a pedigree she has nothing. - her sire has his JW, but he also has a ticket and 2 RCC

The last sire I used had nothing when I used him apart from good placings, he now has his stud book number, several Reserve tickets and one ticket - on paper he is black not red

Some dogs bred into show / working families may be superlative - but not enjoy the show - but can turn into phenomenal producers for the showring.

Field Trial Awards are not red on official pedigrees - but it's no mean feat to become a Field Trial Award winner - but again - would be marked down as wrong.

Again, one of the most successful 'dual purpose' dogs in our breed was produced from a SH CH and a FT Award winner - no red on dad's side (lots on mums).

Red doesn't always produce red - black often produces red or nearly red (which would remain black) - Red looks prettier and more impressive than black - but is NOT an indication of a good breeder or otherwise


Question #11: Do you compete in any of the following: conformation, obedience, agility, Gundog, Working Trials etc - Average of 62.068965517241% correct

What is correct about this? I compete regularly - but my next bitch I will breed from IF I breed is probably the best I've bred conformationally - but she doesn't like the showring - so seldom sees it - I can answer yes to this question - but not with the particular dog I am breeding - so again - skewed>

Question #12: Do you belong to any Dog and/or Breed Clubs & organisations? - Average of 58.620689655172% correct

Whilst it is a good idea to belong to breed clubs, it's not a mandatory requirement, I have a friend with her own kennel name and cracking dogs who shows regularly (and hasn't gone a year in the ring without qualifying her dogs for Crufts) and has used ALL the recommended health tests for the breed - but she doesn't feel the need to belong to the clubs - it doesn't make her a bad breeder.

Question #14: Have you ever repeated a breeding (same Sire & Dam)? - Average of 79.310344827586% correct

Again - what is correct? occasionally, there are very good reasons for repeating matings - I've seen a number of Champions and dogs really 'up there' come from a litter, and a repeat has produced the same again - so not always bad.


Question #15: Are your puppies sold with contracts including Breeding Endorsements & return of puppy? - Average of 75.862068965517% correct

What is correct? breeding endorsements aren't widely used in the Lab working world - there is quite a divergence here - I sell all my dogs with breeding endorsements and lay out exactly what I require to lift them - of the dogs I've brought in, two haven't had endorsements, but I would defy ANYONE to claim they are a bad breeder - because what they don't know about their breed and the influence they've had on it over the years globally is nothing short of truly immeasurable.

And yes, they would always assist with rehoming any dog - but endorsements are a hot topic - I know some people who have been stung VERY badly with them and would never again buy a dog with them on - it's cost them a lot of money in health-testing and a lot of heartache in fighting what have turned out to be a really dodgy breeder - yet - that breeder would probably rightly answer yes to every single question on this survey :(


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I'm sorry - I don't mean to criticise - but to deem these answers correct / incorrect could give the wrong message to a lot of people.

It implies using your own stud dog is wrong
It implies if you use the health tests, have a lot of red in a pedigree and endorse your pups you are a good breeder

In some breeds - 5 is considered the limit for a first litter - in others, there are good arguements for breeding before 2,

Lots of red in a pedigree means absolutely nothing - more important is knowing about those lines as comprehensively as possible - it takes a LOT to make up a SH CH, FT CH, CH - and sometimes that one remaining award for whatever reason remains ellusive - but because it remains black on a pedigree - it could be then be construed as a 'non-achiever' - when actually - the dog could have had a phenomenal career in either the show / field or both - and I would truly loathe it if new people coming in to consider breeding simply started looking at pedigrees in terms of red.

Yes - sometimes you see pedigrees where it is spot the black - sometimes they produce the goods, sometimes they don't - there are all those that we look at and go wow as they have all the makings of a phenomenal dog, - but it doesn't always follow through, and what follows through is almost more important than what the dog achieves itself.
 
#10 ·
Looks like I'm automatically a BYB because my breed is not KC registerable!
I didn't cover this one - but it does (whatever my own feelings) kick back at those few responsibly breeding popular crosses who may take as much time and effort as a breeder who does KC register

Similarly, I know there are a number of imported breeds and breeds such as the JRT which are not registered with the KC in the UK.

Although - I am now swaying towards not seeing any reason why such breeders shouldn't register their dogs on the Activity register which is the same price and works in exactly the same way as the full KC register
 
#11 ·
I didn't cover this one - but it does (whatever my own feelings) kick back at those few responsibly breeding popular crosses who may take as much time and effort as a breeder who does KC register

Similarly, I know there are a number of imported breeds and breeds such as the JRT which are not registered with the KC in the UK.

Although - I am now swaying towards not seeing any reason why such breeders shouldn't register their dogs on the Activity register which is the same price and works in exactly the same way as the full KC register
Yes, Lu is a JRT therefore the KC don't want to know her *sob* but she is registered with the JRTCGB, as will her pups be.
 
#12 ·
Yes, Lu is a JRT therefore the KC don't want to know her *sob* but she is registered with the JRTCGB, as will her pups be.
Obviously not being overly familiar with JRTs. I don't know this body, and also don't know what, if any health tests are required for the breed - however - would you ever consider registering your dogs / pups with the KC Activity register?

This is not a criticism - JRT's have been around certainly as long as I can remember and are well established in most people's eyes - even though there are many varying types, they are usually pretty distinguishable for what they are straight off - I am just curious.

I am also curious (and sure someone will enlighten me) - why they are not registered with the KC - I know the Parson Russell Terrier is (and what a cracking little dog it is :D)
 
#13 ·
Obviously not being overly familiar with JRTs. I don't know this body, and also don't know what, if any health tests are required for the breed - however - would you ever consider registering your dogs / pups with the KC Activity register?

This is not a criticism - JRT's have been around certainly as long as I can remember and are well established in most people's eyes - even though there are many varying types, they are usually pretty distinguishable for what they are straight off - I am just curious.

I am also curious (and sure someone will enlighten me) - why they are not registered with the KC - I know the Parson Russell Terrier is (and what a cracking little dog it is :D)
I am unaware of the KC Activity register, I will go & have a google, because I knew I couldn't register her with them I havn't really looked at the KC website. JRTCGB = Jack Russel Terrier Club Great Britain. Most of the members of this club would not want JRT's on the KC register, they believe that the fact that there is less restriction keeps the gene pool healthier & helps to keep the breed relatively problem free. There is a breed standard but it's not as stringent as most KC breeds, allowing for a fair amount of variation. I'm not sure why they will register the Parsons & not the Jacks :confused:
 
#14 · (Edited)
Honestly, truely guys DON'T READ TOO MUCH INTO THIS QUIZ!!! I could only set it up, after I'd plugged in all the Q's as having to choose a CORRECT and INCORRECT answer. Not quite what I had in mind ;-) So just look at the answers people have given.... it is supposed to be a thought provoking quiz and one to encourage discussion on I suppose 'the definition of a BYB' and nothing more and nothing less ;-)

For example I purposely did not specify a % score which means above or below this you are a BYB ;-) As a VERY rough guide I should imagine the higher you score the less likely it is you are falling into the realms of irresponsible breeding. If I scored 25% or below, and couldn't justify my answers, I would really start to worry about my breeding practices for example. For sure those that have used a dog scored in the USA may score lower if they therefore didn't tick the 'used BVA health scored dog' BUT will know why their score is lower and presumably will happy with that etc etc

On the whole I think it quite positive. An awful lot of people seem to know a lot about their breed/s etc ;-)
 
#15 ·
Looks like I'm automatically a BYB because my breed is not KC registerable!
It depends very much what your definition of a BYB is and what that includes, and it includes very much more than whether you dog is KC reg or not. In fact personally I would put KC reg (as long as you know the full pedigree of your dog) below in the importance scale many other thinigs ;-)
 
#16 ·
Honestly, truely guys DON'T READ TOO MUCH INTO THIS QUIZ!!! I could only set it up, after I'd plugged in all the Q's as having to choose a CORRECT and INCORRECT answer. Not quite what I had in mind ;-) So just look at the answers people have given.... it is supposed to be a thought provoking quiz and one to encourage discussion on I suppose 'the definition of a BYB' and nothing more and nothing less ;-)

For example I purposely did not specify a % score which means above or below this you are a BYB ;-) As a VERY rough guide I should imagine the higher you score the less likely it is you are falling into the realms of irresponsible breeding. If I scored 25% or below, and couldn't justify my answers, I would really start to worry about my breeding practices for example. For sure those that have used a dog scored in the USA may score lower if they therefore didn't tick the 'used BVA health scored dog' BUT will know why their score is lower and presumably will happy with that etc etc

On the whole I think it quite positive. An awful lot of people seem to know a lot about their breed/s etc ;-)
Personally - from my perspective it makes little difference to me - I know I've done my best and can sleep at night -

The problem is, this is a public forum and people read it, and take what they read at face value.

How many times have we seen people say "oh - but there's loads of red in the pedigree so it must be OK to breed" without knowing anything about their breed

How many people say I've got a KC registered breed but the pups are not registered - this to me almost verges on heinous - because invariably - if the parents are KC registered and the pups are not, there is usually reasons behind it - and sadly, very few of them are good reasons :(

I think KC registration for those breeds recognised by the KC is critical and I know there is small but growing interest in the activity register for cross-breeds and unrecognised breeds after some kind member pointed out that actually, their health tests etc are recorded and published in exactly the same way as the BRS (the only difference being, they probably have to be submitted to the KC manually - which I do anyway to remove the delays between the tests being done and the results appearing on the database).

Doing the health-tests in isolation is not enough reason to breed - breeding from a dog with results above the breed average does not automatically make someone a bad breeder and doesn't guarantee the progeny will develop problems

I do believe that showing and working give a breeder an indication of what they are aiming for, even if their dogs are not there yet - but I do also know some pet breeders who are very up on their breeds - are responsible - use proven show and working sires and health-test to the hilt.

So whilst from a personal perspective - it doesn't make much difference to me - I do feel it could give an unbalanced view to beginners and give them the right to feel they could become / are a good breeder when in fact they are not

What does joining a breed club actually mean for example? yes, you have to be approved and seconded - but the benefits someone choses to use can vary from being as simple as lower entry fees at shows and working events.

I agree with comments Rocco has made that in the main repeat matings don't offer many advantages - but sometimes they do, and they are actually not that common in my own breed except where there has been great success with the progeny in ring / field

I generally don't use my own stud dogs, but this time am generally considering it - using outside dogs is right if you are using the dog that best matches your bitch - but if that dog just happens to be sitting in front of your fireplace and you understand your breed enough to make that decision, then that's not wrong either - and rightly or wrongly - a breeder owning both parents is something that I know for a fact is highly valued by puppy buyers - yet so many times, the dog can be used for the wrong reasons - but puppy buyers would see it as good not bad :(
 
#17 ·
just a curiosity about the activities register... not taking a pop or being ironic!

My dogs are from pastoral/working group (crosses) - mastiff type...so their work is to sleep with one eye open 23 hours per day...and spend the other hours going around, eat/poop and exercise... and that is what they have been bred to do...
i have seen on the register (KC website) that the activities are mostly geared towards collies hunting and hounds sort of dogs, so i guess my girls have no chance of getting in there, is that right? or am i missing something?

:)
thanks
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#18 ·
just a curiosity about the activities register... not taking a pop or being ironic!

My dogs are from pastoral/working group (crosses) - mastiff type...so their work is to sleep with one eye open 23 hours per day...and spend the other hours going around, eat/poop and exercise... and that is what they have been bred to do...
i have seen on the register (KC website) that the activities are mostly geared towards collies hunting and hounds sort of dogs, so i guess my girls have no chance of getting in there, is that right? or am i missing something?

:)
thanks
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The 'impression' I am getting is that 'technically' any dog could be registered for the ÂŁ13 fee and would also get allocated a KC name - there are quite a few working collies and crosses on there - results then get published in the BRS and you could (subject to the breeders agreement) register parentage on there as well.

Obviously, I don't know enough about owning unregistered / cross breeds to have the answers - someone needs to ask the 'right' person in the KC (not always easy - I had one lady tell me the dominant colour gene in Labs was Yellow - she was very pleasant and I did put her right, but still don't think she believed me :eek:)

someone needs to ask the KC the question, as I believe it would be a good registry for monitoring health of cross-breeds and unregistered dogs particularly those that are used for a purpose - when I read up on it, there didn't appear to be any strict criteria for registration other than the dogs themselves can't be 'double' registered - i.e. I couldn't put my own dogs on there as they are all already KC registered.