Am I being pathetic?! Please help!

Discussion in 'Working & Sports Dogs' started by MarleyxIda, Dec 21, 2017.


  1. rottiepointerhouse

    rottiepointerhouse PetForums VIP

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    Ever think about the animal you kill? It certainly harms them. Thankfully the vast majority of the population of this country do not agree with you and find the persecution of wild animals abhorrent. I find it very sad that you don't find anything wrong with killing for sport and your own pleasure.
     
  2. Jamesgoeswalkies

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    I'm another one who cringes at the wording of 'my partner has said he will allow me'. My wife and i have six dogs .... I don't have to give her 'permission' to interact with the dogs. If your partner is after hero worship from his dogs then you won't get a look in ............

    In my opinion, Lamping is simply fox hunting without the horses. The love of killing a defenceless animal under the guise of 'pest control'. Shining a light in the dead of night and shooting (or sending dogs in) when you see the eyes of an animal in petrification is no sport.

    J
     
  3. Sairy

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    I also thought this. It does come across like he's being quite selfish over this. I can't understand it anyway - surely having pets is ideally something you both enjoy. I know plenty of animal lovers who really wish that their partners shared the same interest in their pets as they do. My dog is technically "mine" - she was a 30th birthday present and I'd always wanted a dog. However, my OH gets involved to an equal extent and I just love watching them interact. I can't understand why anyone would want to deny their partner this joy.
     
  4. Chatcat

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    Utterly confused and sad. I read these forums to learn about dogs and to be amused by their owners antics. Not sure I want to read any more. How can somebody enjoy these 'sports' and then want advice on a PET LOVERS forum. If a wild animal HAS to be culled, it can just as easily be shot with a rifle. At least that is quick. Go away and learn your nasty 'sports' from another saddo into torturing wild animals while you enjoy watching the last few minutes of a frightened defenceless animal running for it's life and failing.
     
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    At the risk of getting into trouble I'm gonna speak my mind. Your other half sounds like a d*ck and you enable him by going along with his behaviour. As for hunting animals, it's absolutely disgusting. You can let your dog live up to his potential and instincts in many other ways. Tearing a poor defenceless animal to bits while it suffers unimaginable pain for its last moments of life, there are no words.
     
  6. Mirandashell

    Mirandashell It wasn't me.

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    Is that what Lamping is? I had no idea! Wow. My apologies to everyone else, I didn't know the dogs would be used for hunting. Ugh.
     
  7. rottiepointerhouse

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/lampers-are-the-thugs-of-the-countryside-550739.html


    Lamping is the use of spotlights to transfix wild animals in a powerful beam, and then shooting, or deploying dogs, to kill them. Farmers and landowners do it as a means of controlling foxes or rabbits. Most adhere to a code of conduct, have licensed firearms, keep police informed of where and when they will be out, stay well away from roads or homes and shoot only foxes, rats and rabbits.


    Its an old article and I don't think they are supposed to kill foxes anymore but you get the general idea :(
     
  8. Mirandashell

    Mirandashell It wasn't me.

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    Ah right, thank you. I had no idea.
     
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  9. Burrowzig

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    You can still kill foxes by lamping and shooting. As OP says they have permission from a gamekeeper, I don't know what threat rabbits would be to the game that they's need to call in a lamper to exterminate them.
     
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    Yeah, I can't understand anyone wanting to be in a relationship with someone who decides they can 'allow' certain behaviours from them.
    But most rabbits killed by dogs aren't torn to pieces alive. My Ziggy got a few in her time, and killed them by a quick neck fracture of asphyxiation by biting hard on the neck. Kite caught one once, held it in her mouth for a few seconds then decided she didn't know what to do next, let go of it it and it ran off back into its burrow.
     
  11. Moobli

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    Hi and welcome to the forum. I hope you haven't been scared away by some of the posts on this thread! There is room for everyone.

    Is there any reason why you couldn't have your own lurcher, as well as your OH having his? Of course you may have time, space or financial constraints but if that isn't the case, why not look at getting your own pup? I have found with my OH's working collies that in the majority of cases whoever works them is the ultimate god - despite the fact I usually raise, exercise, socialise and do the initial foundation training of the sheepdog pups. Not an issue at all for me as I have my own German shepherds. While the GSDs are affectionate, obedient and happy to be with my OH, I am their first love.

    In terms of lamping, it is not something I do myself but live on a shooting estate which is often overrun with rabbits and so the gamekeepers lamp them as well as giving permission for others to come and lamp at night, or use ferrets/lurchers/guns during the day. It is just part of life here. I am not a fan of certain types of hunting, but can appreciate that lamping/rabbiting is one of the most humane ways of keeping the population under control. It is also useful when there is a myxomatosis problem and far kinder to the rabbits than allowing them to suffer.
     
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    I personally don't know much about what lamping entails but from the description above it sounds as though the animals die pretty quickly, though Ill happily be corrected. I buy much of our dogs food from a local man involved in pest control, though he does use a rifle. I choose to do this on ethical grounds as I feel the animals have ĺived a natural live and been killed quickly, in comparison to the meat industry where not all livestock has a nice life (in my opinion)
     
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    Surely there is room for everyone here? You may not agree with some activities other poster take part in, just as they may not agree with you but I think it is a little unfair to jump on a new member in this way.
     
  14. rottiepointerhouse

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    Just as your hackles would go up if someone come on here and started talking about letting their dog worry sheep as if it was something to enjoy and be proud of, mine go up when someone talks about being "into" Lamping like its jolly good fun. As I said like it or not the vast majority of the population do not find it acceptable and as long as I'm entitled to express my opinion I will continue doing so :)
     
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    Neither did i :(
     
  17. rottiepointerhouse

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    Wilfully seeking out living creatures in order to inflict pain or suffering is a disturbing character trait in any human being. To do this without feeling any sense of concern or remorse is bad enough but it is utterly repulsive that it is considered by a minority group to be a source of enjoyment. Like all veterinary surgeons I made a pledge to be a custodian of animal health and welfare. Knowing that any vet could actively partake in or support cruel sports leaves me without words.” Jo Lewis BSc BVMS (Hons) MRCVS

    (Vets against hunting document produced for the LACS in 2015)
     
  18. Moobli

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    That is absolutely fair enough and I would imagine they are talking about fox hunting? Lamping is not about seeking out living creatures to inflict pain and suffering but is a means of population control. As I have said, I don't partake it in, nor would I want to, but to attack a new member in such a way is not the way to educate others to your own point of view.
     
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  19. rottiepointerhouse

    rottiepointerhouse PetForums VIP

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    Oops sorry I didn't know my role was to educate other people to my point of view. I also don't believe I "attacked" a new member - here are my 3 interactions with the OP

    "My response is to wonder why someone on a pet lovers forum would be "into" the persecution of wildlife"

    "Doesn't really answer my question though, what makes a young woman and her partner "really into" lamping??"

    "Ever think about the animal you kill? It certainly harms them. Thankfully the vast majority of the population of this country do not agree with you and find the persecution of wild animals abhorrent. I find it very sad that you don't find anything wrong with killing for sport and your own pleasure."

    Which part of that do you consider "attacking"?

    As for Lamping not seeking out living creatures to inflict pain and suffering I disagree - it may be "used" as means of population control but that doesn't mean the animal being "controlled" does not suffer. The OP mentions

    "she can flush the rabbits out and for the Lurcher to course" which suggests to me at least the dog is being used to kill the rabbits rather than a gun. Whilst the comment below is regarding Hare Coursing using two dogs I don't believe for one minute all rabbits (or other animals accidentally caught/killed) die instantly whether there are one or two dogs involved.

    https://www.league.org.uk/hare-hunt...MIlIKsw9Cd2AIVhLDtCh1a8wCuEAMYAiAAEgJYH_D_BwE

    Coursing enthusiasts have claimed that caught hares die instantaneously from the bite of one dog. However, hares are often unsuccessfully grabbed several times by the dogs causing terrible injuries and stress. The hares are sometimes heard screaming in terror and pain as the dogs fight over them, as they may become a living rope in a brutal tug of war between the jaws of the dogs.

    The government inquiry into hunting with dogs concluded in 2000: It is clear, moreover, that if the dog or dogs catch the hare, they do not always kill it quickly.
     
  20. Chatcat

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    I think the point is that this is "Dog Chat", where at the very least, you expect a forum 'chatting' about dog related stuff, sometimes sad, sometimes funny. Whether a dog is going to be a good lamper, courser, or whatever other form of killing animals there is, this should be done on the "Working Dogs" thread, where everyone on that thread will be happy to read these articles. People reading here have learnt stuff they would perhaps rather not expect to see here.
     
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