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Aggressive German Shepherd HELP PLEASE!!

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by mduffell, Apr 24, 2011.


  1. mduffell

    mduffell PetForums Newbie

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    Hi everyone I'm hoping some one can help me with Jordie my one and a half year old german shepherd.

    I recently rescued her from a life of being locked in a conservatory rarely being let out in a very small garden with the odd walk at around 3am so she has had no human or dog socialisation what’s more she was beaten for any toilet mistake even if she wasn’t let out and had two children teasing, pulling her tail and hitting her. Since living with me she's a completely differant dog she is so much happier....however she still has some serious problems I need to address if I’m to keep her.

    * she trys to attack anyone one new entering the house also anyone to close on walks so i have to keep her muzzle on.


    * she is very aggressive towards other cats and dogs (except my partners puppy labrador, he does irritate her and she does correct him but they get on great at times)


    * she growls and barks at my 4 year old son if he goes near her or when he walks in the room and has gone to bite him so i have to keep her muzzle on when he comes to visit. but she seems scared as she hides under the coffee table when he comes in the room.

    * she submissive urinates and cowers if spoken to in a raised voice or even if she just thinks she's done something wrong.


    I know this sounds bad but when it’s just me and her she is the most loving, beautiful, calm dog I’ve ever met. I know the best option would be to get some help from a profesional dog trainer but i dont have the time or the money for that at the moment. I was hoping that someone could make some suggestions on how i might be able to rehabilitate her at home so I can give her the life she deserves, any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  2. Old Shep

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    I'm sorry, but this is going to sound harsh, but you did ask.

    Why on earth did you knowingly rehome an agressive GS when you have a child in the house and can't afford the services of a professional to help you?

    I find that extremely irresponsible on your part.
     
  3. mduffell

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    ok thanks for your input but when you see such a beatuiful dog that you adore being treated like that with the option of saving her from that life any respectible dog lover would do it if they could....and for future referance anyone wishing to comment on my parenting skills will be pleased to learn that my son does not live at the house and when he is round she has her muzzle on and spends most of her time in a separate room from him!
     
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    Well done for trying to help this dog and good to see you muzzle when your child is about, maybe its just a case of time with you will teach this dog that not all humans are bad
    I do sometimes think back to "the old days" when there were no dog behaviourists about and dogs seem to get on ok.nowdays everyone seems to be jumping on the "go get a behaviourist in "
     
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    thank you, that was my plan when i took her i hoped just showing her that all the new people around her werent going to hurt her would solve the problems and they have calmed down a bit just no where near as much as id hoped.
     
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    I don't think that's agood reason to get any dog. Just because you like a dog and dislike the way it's being treated doesn't mean you should automatically assume that the best thing would be for it to come and live with you. There are other options. Have you heard of German Shepherd Dogs German Shepherd Puppies UK ? There is also the RSPCA and the Dogs' Trust (to name but 3)

    I appreciate that you muzzle the dog when your son is around, but I'm sorry, I don't think that's enough. This will affect the way your child feels about dogs in general. Also, a large breed like a GSD can still injure a young child without actually biting them. What if he escapes from his muzzle?

    You asked for help and my advice would be to immediatly call one of the rescue organisations. You have neither the experience nor the funds to help this dog.

    You are woefully optomistic and totally unrealistic about the work required to address this dog's problems
     
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    ok well thanks for your opinion and i assure you that if all other attempts fail then i will speak to one of the oganisations you mentioned but im not just giving up i've bonded with her and she trusts me! i just dont see how paying for professional help is the ONLY way surely they have to learn from somewhere? every website i search for help on the matter just want to sell me something! it just all seems like money grabbing is there no one out there that knows about these problems and is willing to give me advice about how to at least try to tackle the problems??? surely theres some things i can try at home??
     
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    No. That's what I am trying to say. It's not that easy. You have taken an usocialised GSD with aggression problems into your home and think that you can sort out the problems by what, exactly? Reading about it? You have to take a reality check. Just because you love him, doesn't mean you automatically know how to deal with his (very, very serious) issues.
     
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    Honest answer, you have a guarding breed, who has had no socialisation and
    also has a lot of behaviour that is fear based. Shes also had bad associations with kids because of the teasing, shes been beaten so has bad associations with adults she doesnt know. You do need hands on help, in all honesty she does have do many problems, it is way beyond forum/internet help.

    Ideally you do need to speak to a qualified behaviourist/trainer CAPBT COAPE Association of pet behaviourists and trainers are good. CAPBT - COAPE Association of Pet Behaviourists and Trainers
    E-mail pethelp@capbt.org if you contact them then you should be able to find one in your area.

    If you really cant afford it, the only other suggestion would be to contact German Shepherd welfare, they not only rescue and rehome GSDs they will also offer help and advice to deal with problems to successfully where possible ensure that GSDs can stay in their current homes.

    www.germanshepherddogrescue.co.uk/ If you click on contacts, there is a section on there marked Behaviour, you need to click on that too.

    Hopefully they can help you if you explain the circumstances etc in which you obtained her and the problems.
     
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    ok maybe your right but forgive me if im wrong how does anyone learn anything....usually by 'reading about it' so dont patronize me!! fair enough i took on more then i first thought that doesnt mean im just going to give up. just because you may not know any of the techniques used in rehabiltating dogs like this doesnt mean there aren't things i can try that may work does it? i've come on here to ask if anyone has any tips, ideas or advise on how i might start solveing my dogs problems not to be told what i must do by a jumped up know it all like yourself so if you have nothing productive to add would you kindly find another way to past your time because quite frankly your boring me!!!!!!!!
     
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    sorry sled dog that previous post was aimmed at old shep thanks for your advise and if i cant find a way of helping her myself i assure you that i will contact the people you mentioned
     
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    www.germanshepherddogrescue.co.uk sounds like a good place to start thank you very much for the info.
     
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    Sadly i think you are in a postion that "you are dammed if you do ,,dammed if you dont" you would be slated if you had just walked away and left this dog, and will be slated for taking it into your home.ok it may not work out with the dog at home with you and it may have to go to a rescue but at least you will have given it a chance of a forever home.
     
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    thank you. im glad there is someone out there that understands the predicament im in.
     
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    I was being sarcastic. I wouldn't dream of patronising you.


    I'm please that you recognise that


    Actually I do know something about the subject. You still don't get it, though, do you? This is way beyond anything you can do without "hands on" help (I think that's what sleddog called it)


    There is no need to be so agressive or personal. Your quick temper would also concern me as dealing with problems like this require a very calm and confident disposition. You DID come on here and ask for advice. I gave you my advice. Just because you didn't like what I said doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.
     
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    I have an 11 month old gsd bitch who I took on 5 months ago, she had also had no socialisation or training save being physically punished for toilet accidents, I got her at a turning point in her life. I basically found that when she behaved inapropriately I ignored it if it wasnt dangerous and I over praised/rewarded good behaviour. I made sure I put her in situations that she found worrying and distracted her with treats and praise till she go used to hearing and seeing scary things without freaking out. Having said that your girl is a lot older and the patterns are more ingrained, I would definately be seeking professional help in your situation as they are very large dogs and a fear aggressive gsd is a potentially lethal animal.
     
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    you really have nothing better to do?? i know your probably right and that she may have to go but surely theres some things i can try before giving her up. I knew long before puting this up that the best option was to get a profesional to deal with it i didnt need you to tell me that.
     
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    Two other numbers that might be worth a chat too are

    The German shepherd welfare fund Sheila Rankin President 01708 3422194
    Breed Rescue 01923 255740 Geoff and Val Pardy

    If you can talk to them and explain your problems, then maybe they can give you advice. Working with breed rescue/welfare they would see GSDs with Behaviour problems, and because it is their breed they know the breed specifics. They will know how fixable the problems are and if so how to go about it.
     
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    thank you, finally something i can work with. i understand the dangers involved but im not just giving up on her without knowing ive tried. i know she's a big dog but i easily handle her physicaly (im ALOT stronger than her its not like shes dragging someone half he size around on a rampage) and she does listern to me when i try to calm her down its the trigger i need to deal with. maybe she is to set in her ways but at least i've got something i can try now. thanks again
     
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    thank you looks like ive got a few phone calls to make tomorrow :)
     
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