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Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Mastiff_lass, May 22, 2010.


  1. Mastiff_lass

    Mastiff_lass PetForums Junior

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    I'm looking into buying a puppy at the mo to show.

    Bit I need help/advice on: nearly two weeks ago I went to view a puppy I found on epupz (Neo Mastiff x Presa Canario) I rang and asked the age, parent details etc (not first pup I've bought, mum breeds Cockers) and asked what deposit they'd take as she was 7 weeks old.
    Now, I left my £100 deposit, got a receipt and agreed to go back wednesday just gone to collect the pup.

    Now, the seller tried EVERYTHING, and I mean everything to get me to pick this pup up a day earlier, I work part time but can get called away at any time. I said I would try but I couldn't make any promises.
    I had massive car trouble on tuesday and told her I'd collect the pup on the day we agreed as I couldn't get another car after the first one broke down!

    She text me, at 2pm on the day I was due to collect the pup (original date we'd agreed at viewing) and said she'd sold it to someone else!!!

    At this point I was furious as it's 80 odd miles to York and I had my daughter in school til 3:30pm so I was stuck! I sent a text back asking for my deposit back and I didn't get a reply!

    Anyone know if I'm in the right asking for the deposit back? She broke the sale by 'selling' the pup on to someone else even though no time was specified to collect it.
    I informed her I couldn't get til I picked my daughter up, all texts and emails sent and recieved have been kept.

    Thanks in advance

    Tracie
     
  2. rocco33

    rocco33 PetForums VIP

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    Yes, I would say you were absolutely in your rights to get the deposit back. If she is not replying to you I would write a strongly worded letter to.

    That said, I think you've had a luck escape. I'm confused that you said you want a dog for showing and then went to buy a crossbreed?
     
  3. Mastiff_lass

    Mastiff_lass PetForums Junior

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    Hi, thanks and sorry lol

    I went to view this cross bred pup as the Presa is quite a rare breed over here but I'm now looking into DDB's/Danes/Neo's.

    I have sent her a strongly worded email, and she claims she hasn't sold the dog. I've also had a promise of a refund but she now says she's seeking legal advice!

    My mum and her breeding partner say I'm right to get it back but this woman is trying to pull a fast one! I certainly won't let it drop and if I have to it'll be heading for the small claims court
     
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    shazalhasa PetForums VIP

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    If as you say in your opening line want a dog to show, why are you looking at cross breeds ? :confused1:
     
  5. Mastiff_lass

    Mastiff_lass PetForums Junior

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    See above.
     
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    We have a female Presa pup in rescue at the minute.

    Just been reserved but still if you look you can find one.
     
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    Confused too especially as family are breeders of cockers and surely would know you cannot show a cross!:confused:
     
  8. Mastiff_lass

    Mastiff_lass PetForums Junior

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    Sorry guys, should have explained it properly lol

    I wanted a Presa x Neo as a pet, but since all the hassle over buying what it typically a 'mongrel' I've decided to buy a pure bred DDB/Dane or Neo Mastiff.

    I'm working like a slave to buy a good enough specimen to show
     
  9. Tanya1989

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    I would narrow down to the breed you want specifically first, then we can help you with finding nice successful lines (health tested) be prepared to wait though. If you want a nice dog to show you will have to go on a waiting list. For a show breeder to sell you a show quality puppy you will have to prove your dedication to the breed. They won't want to hear "well, I though about x, y, z breeds but then I saw your advert so I decided I wanted your breed"... If that makes sense. Showing is a cut throat world. You might as well start off with the best possible dog if you ever hope to get anywhere. Pet breeders won't breed good enough dogs to show.
     
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    Mastiff_lass PetForums Junior

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    I'm quite prepared to wait, the price of the best pup I can find isn't an issue but for me to know as much as I can about all three breeds before I decide which to go for is something I need to do.

    My family are vastly experienced in both breeding and showing, but this is a venture for myself away from the family name and reputation.

    As for the silly mare who's trying to rip me off over a cross breed, she reckons she's seeing her solicitor tomorrow morning and she'll then be in contact!
     
  11. alaun

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    If she sold the pup to someone else on the day you had agreed then you are entitled to your money back. You also have it in writing (text) that this is what she has done - so I don't think she has a leg to stand. It might be worth you mentioning to her that you have it in writing - she might suddenly have a moment of conscience.
     
  12. swarthy

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    I have to say I am totally confused that you want to show, and yet are looking at cross-breeds - which are not KC registered and CANNOT be shown other than at Companion shows in the Novelty classes.

    I spent well over a year looking for the right breeder, and during that time must have spoken to hundreds of people, and then waited well over another year for my pup - and that was for the most popular breed in the UK.

    Tanya is right, you need to look and do your research - I am a newish breeder and have improved every generation - I show my pups, but still don't feel in a position that I would sell my pups to others for show - and suspect it will be a good few generations yet before I am ready to - even then, most breeders are lucky if they get more than 2 pups in a litter suitable for the showring (there have been a few litters of late in my own breed where 3 or 4 have gone into the showring and doing well - but they are still very few and far between)
     
  13. Mastiff_lass

    Mastiff_lass PetForums Junior

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    It's not that confusing when I've said I wanted the cross breed as a pet but I've decided against it because of the hassle I've had!

    Crikey talk about off topic lmao
     
  14. Mastiff_lass

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    Just an update to this:

    She claims to have seen a 'solicitor' and from the email I received tonight it's clear she hasn't told the full story!

    Cheeky cow is offering me HALF my deposit back as a 'good will gesture' so I've asked for her 'solicitors' contact details and IF (not holding my breath) I get them I'll ring them myself and explain the FULL story!

    Legally, she's broken the sale of goods act by telling me she'd sold the pup regardless of what date or time I was due to pick it up.

    On the up side, I've decided I'm buying a Dogue De Bordeaux bitch pup when I find the right breeder :)
     
  15. vizzy24

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    You stick to your guns, and get the whole deposit back, cheeky moo:mad: Good choice on the breed I love ddb, make sure you do your homework they are becoming so popular any one and everyone are breeding them at the moment, its such a shame when this happens and abreed goes through a popular stage. There was a lady with 2 ddb on here and she was looking to breed hers and she had all the health tests done cant remeber her name though :rolleyes:
     
  16. Mastiff_lass

    Mastiff_lass PetForums Junior

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    Thanks Vizzy, I'm still waiting for her solicitors contact details!

    I'll give her til 8pm tonight to provide them then I shall be going through the small claims court. Good jo0b the evidence I have shows how much messing around she's done LOL

    I'm constantly researching the DDB, I've contacted some breeders through the KC and also the breed club, IIRC there's a breed specialist judge not far from me.

    I'm planning everything from the right breeders, right parents, pedigree all the way through to having the biggest puppy crate I can find (42 ich) and bedding, food supplier the lot lol

    Think I'm developing OCD now lmao
     
  17. Tanya1989

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    I have PM'd you
     
  18. davehyde

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    i'd have thought if the family are vastly experienced in breeding you wouldnt need to come here for advice. you'd already know.:confused1:
     
  19. vizzy24

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    lol good luck with the puppy search
     
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