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9 month old baby and 19 month old cocker spaniel

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Alfies&Emily'smum, Jun 6, 2017.


  1. Alfies&Emily'smum

    Alfies&Emily'smum PetForums Newbie

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    Hello all,

    I've got a 19 month old cocker spaniel. They have a lovely bond and I have no concerns about their relationship. However this last 2/3 week our dog has started acting aggressively to other dogs when out on walks with the baby present. These are dogs that he has known since we brought him home at 10 weeks. I am wondering if he is persevering other dogs as a threat to the baby?

    I always shout at him and he backs down and lies on his back immediately I'm just concerned that he will pick a fight with the wrong dog and end up hurt or that one day he doesn't listen and hurts another dog.

    He hasn't been neutered as we wanted to breed from him... I would do it if it was the solution but he is so different when the baby isn't present up until now he has always been ran away from any confrontation with his tail between his legs. We have genuinely never seen any aggression from him before.

    Any tips, suggestions or insights please?
     
  2. Darkangelwitch

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    I would look at getting some professional help while he is still young. Ask your vet for a behaviourist referral - hopefully you can s in the bud before it escalates.
     
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  3. Burrowzig

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    It's more likely that it's because he's reaching social maturity than because of protecting the baby.
    And it's totally wrong to consider breeding from any dog with aggression issues. And causing the dog to be anxious by shouting will most likely make things worse.
     
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    Also please stop shouting at the dog, its likely to make him more anxious and make things worse.
     
  5. ouesi

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    What @Burrowzig said.
    It's probably more to do with him reaching social maturity than the baby being with you. But please don't shout at him.
    Your dog has a history of running away from confrontation with his tail between his legs. This is not the sign of a confident dog, now with a hormone surge, he's probably testing out "go away" displays, not out of confidence, but just another expression of his fear of other dogs.
    Shouting at him is not going to make him feel more confident. Quite the opposite. And he still might start to associate other dogs with you shouting at him and will cause him to dislike other dogs even more.

    Now let's talk temperament. You dog is fearful and aggressive, please, please, reconsider breeding him. These are not traits that need to be passed on to other dogs. Temperament is largely genetic and the world does not need more fearful dogs who also resort to aggression.
     
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    As above, but I wanted to add that if you have him neutered before he is fully mature (don't know if a spaniel is at 19 months or not?) that can suppress his testosterone which is the hormone that makes him courageous. So if he is a bit nervous, maybe hold back on the neutering for now and have him neutered in a few months.
     
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    In order for you to breed from your dog, you would have to offer his services at stud and I'm afraid no reputable Breeder will use any dog which doesn't have a bombproof temperament.

    Certainly, aggression issues, whatever the cause, would make him very undesirable as a stud.
     
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  8. Alfies&Emily'smum

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  9. Alfies&Emily'smum

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    Thank you for your replies I do think you have misunderstood my post.... My dog is not aggressive other than when with the baby I walk him alone and so does my partner and he will play with dogs even the dogs her has previously been aggressive with... He also hasn't shown fearfulness of other dogs unless they have been aggressive towards him he has always been socialised a lot and was always the first to approach other dogs. I do appreciate that it could be his hormones coming into play and that is why we are considering neutering him however it does not explain why he never does it when the baby isn't there. Also if I'm not to shout at him how do I split it up I'm not pulling him away when I have a baby in my arms or in her sling

    Thank you again for your replies
     
  10. Rafa

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    Do you keep him onlead when you walk him?

    If he is starting these confrontations with other dogs when he's offlead, then it would be best if you didn't allow him to get into a situation where he can become aggressive with another dog, so to that end, I would keep him onlead.
     
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    Get some professional help via a vet referral to a good behaviourist.

    Someone who only uses positive, reward based methods.

    This is guarding behaviour and the dog needs to learn to chill - it's not his job ;)

    I had a disastrous encounter with a dog that started behaving this way towards other dogs when with a child in a pushchair and the owner did not address it. This culminated in the dog taking an off lead opportunity to attack us and bite my dog. I reported the incident to the Police and the owner received a Community Police Order and has to stay leashed in public.

    Stop shouting at the dog too, as that isn't helping.

    Avoid walking in busy dog areas if you have your child with you. Stick to on lead pavement walks so you don't encounter loose dogs and can simply walk in the opposite direction and avoid if you spot another dog, until you have sorted this out.
     
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    If it only happens when the baby is present and the fact that you say him and the baby have a very strong bond anyway, it sounds like he could be resource guarding the baby. Dogs will sometimes guard things and compete with other dogs that are high value and important to them. Triggers can be food, toys, treats, but owners and owners attention can also be something too that with some dogs will cause resource guarding. The age he is now could also be a factor too and the fact he isn't neutered.

    Your best bet if you are willing would probably be to get a behaviourist in to assess him and the situation properly to find out exactly whats going on. All we can do on here is to make suggestions as to the possible cause what might be going on based on general dog behaviour. A behaviourist though can assess the dog and situation properly and give you a tailor made retraining and behaviour modification programme and work with you to resolve the issue properly. CAPBT is one of the good organisations where you should be able to find qualified behaviourists in your area. I would probably hold fire on neutering until he has had a proper assessment.
    If you did keep him entire with thoughts of breeding, quite often once a dog has been used for a stud dog, that can alter their behaviour and not to the good, so that is perhaps something you will need to rethink anyway, and also depending on what the behaviourist says is the best thing to do.

    http://capbt.org/
     
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  13. Alfies&Emily'smum

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    Thank you for your reply I've made an appointment with our vet who knows Alfie pre and post baby so I'm hoping he will point us in the right direction... We arnt really planning to put him out to stud my brother has a female cocker of the same age and he wants to breed them once... The plan was to let him then get him neutered
     
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    This isn't the best reason for breeding any dog to be honest.

    Sometimes once a dog has been used as a stud dog, this can make their temperament change towards all bitches and neutering does not stop this.

    With his current problems even if they get sorted, breeding does cost money, it's not as simple as putting two family dogs together and getting a litter of puppies. Health tests, should be carried out. This is not a trip to the vet who tells you your dog is healthy.
     
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    Probably not the right temperament for breeding.

    Were you planning on having them both fully health tested beforehand too?
     
  16. Alfies&Emily'smum

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    Ok guys I get it none of you think we should breed him I'm not really sure how this thread became about this.... As stated previously we are seeing the vet tomorrow and as also stated if he needs neutering to solve the problem then we will do it
     
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  17. DT

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    Pretty much as quesi has said.
     
  18. Burrowzig

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    Seriously not a good idea to breed two first-timers together. At least one should know what they're doing. And with his behaviour problems, he should not be bred from at all. Both parents need to be tested for PRA, hip scored (specialist vet, about £170) and the FN test done. http://www.cockerspaniel-info.org.uk/health.htm
     
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    Well, we get so many people come on here with disaster stories that could easily have been avoided if given the right advice beforehand, that any opportunity to dissuade anyone is pounced on! ;)

    Not necessarily you, but anyone reading this thread in the future.

    Many members are also very actively involved in rescue and given the number of healthy dogs destroyed on a daily basis, you can understand that passions run high :(

    Don't take offence, as none was intended :)
     
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