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6 visits to the vets in 3 months! Ideas?

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by Clairey262, Jan 20, 2018.


  1. Clairey262

    Clairey262 PetForums Newbie

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    Looking for anyone with a similar story or advice.
    Robbie is a gorgeous Rottweiler who is 7 years old. He started back in Oct with Froffy / Slimy diarrhoea and blood spots in his sick.. the vets have treated him for Colitis, Gastroenteritis, all various types of Parasites, his had 2 blood tests, sickness injections and had his stools tested. All tests have come back negative for him. Robbie is extremely windy / smelly and seems to follow us around more than ever. The garden is completely ruined due to this however the sickness has stopped. The vets have said just to keep giving him powder to harden his poo as they have no answers but I really need to start looking into this more to get some answers. His stomach is also extremely noisey. The attached file is just one invoice out of 4 we’ve had for antibotics and tests for him!
     

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    Clairey262 PetForums Newbie

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    Poor boy, it must be very uncomfortable for him. Can you ask to be referred to a specialist, it does not seem much of an option to leave him as he is. Following your around probably means he is feeling in pain and unsure of what is going on.
     
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    his diet?

    what does he eat?
     
  5. Clairey262

    Clairey262 PetForums Newbie

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    He’s on dried food. He’s been on Dr johns hypoallergenic for a year now and never had problems before with it. Previously to that he was on Arden grange but due to the yeast levels and a reoccurring ear infection we was advised to put him on this. I have read to try chicken and rice but I’m unsure he will eat it, he is very picky.
     
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    If you are hearing a gurgling/growling noise from him, that would likely be his bowel, not his stomach.

    He could have inflammatory bowel disease.

    Have you tried him with a fish diet?

    Chappie, whilst not the best food in the world, can often work for dogs with such problems.
     
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    My Vet referred my dog to a specialist when they couldn’t find out what was wrong. He has x-rays, blood tests, ultra sound and an MRI. They still don’t know but I’m at least confident that there is nothing serious underlying it like a tumour. It’s a horrible feeling when you are doing everything you can and still things happen so you have my sympathy.
     
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    Depending on what blood tests have been done (checked B12/folate/TLI?) next step would likely be to switch to a specific hypoallergenic diet (like ZD but several options) with the thinking being this is most likely a IBD type condition (Chappie is quite high in fibre so can help with collitis problems). It can take some time on this to see results which is the downside. If there is lots of blood in the stool or he is loosing a lot of weight then intestinal biopsies are another option to think about and reach a diagnosis. These can be done with an endoscope or through abdominal surgery. Each has pros + cons you would need to speak about with your vet. Referal is of course always an option. If costs are an issue and nothing else is working then steroids could be trialled for presumptive IBD but these can come with some risks/factors to consider and obviously need discussion with your vet.
    I hope you can find some answers or something that works
     
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    Burrowzig PetForums VIP

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    That's canned, original flavour Chappie - not the dry kibble which is a poor food.
     
  10. Clairey262

    Clairey262 PetForums Newbie

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    Thankyou. I’d have never thought to have tried the canned meat because I know the quality is poor. Il give it a shot Thanks
     
  11. Blackadder

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    As said, Chappie is worth a shot! If you read the ingredients it's not the best & shouldn't help at all but... a lot of times it does!
     
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    Having a look at the ingredients in Dr Johns hypo allergenic and a couple of the flavours Cereals are listed as the first ingredient, they usually have to list whats most in it first in order. It doesn't seem to tell you what cereals in total although with the hypo allergenic Lamb and rice as an example it says minimum of the 14% of the total cereals is rice. Next is meat and animal derivatives again doesn't tell you what only that a minimum of 26% is Lamb. You can see both the chicken and the Lamb Below.

    Composition
    Cereals (minimum 14% rice), meat and animal derivatives (minimum 26% lamb), oils & fats, seeds, minerals

    Composition
    Cereals (minimum 4% barley, 4% oats), meat and animal derivatives (minimum 14% chicken), oils and fats, seeds, minerals.

    Although it says it doesn't contain wheat which a lot of dogs are sensitive too it doesn't give you an indication what other cereals are in it too, of what the meat and meat derivatives actually are. When ingredients are normally vague this quite often means that recipes are changed according to what may be available at the time for each batch made, although the actual stated ingredients of course doesn't usually change.

    Cereals and sugars particularly tend to feed yeast. Yeast like candida albicans is naturally present in the gut and body. however if you get an overgrowth then that's usually when problems start with yeast infections. As well as causing ear/skin problems and rashes, you can get a yeast overgrowth in the gut too. This will then cause inflammatory bowel like conditions, bowel disorders, bloating, intestinal gas and bubbly gut sounds.

    So even though he is on hypo allergenic supposedly if there is still something in it he has an intolerance too then it wont work. He may benefit from a grain free and novel single protein food it may certainly be worth trialling.

    Another common problem can be small intestinal bacterial overgrowth too, and there is also ARDs anticiotic responsive diarrhoea. If the body is out of balance and there is an overgrowth of bacteria in the small intestine then that too can cause inflammatory bowel like symptoms.

    I noticed he was on Metrobactin which believe is Metranidazole and it is one of the antibiotics used for SIBO/ARDS they seem to suggest 4 weeks antibiotics but even then if there is a relapse it may be needed for longer. You can read more about SIBO/ARDS on the link.

    http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/navc/2005/SAE/136.pdf?LA=1

    Also have they checked his Vitmamin B12 (Cobalimin levels) and folate. Often with gut problems a B12 deficiency and sometime folate too can either cause gut problems in itself or be caused by something else that is underlying, ie they have another gut issue and I believe some of these can actually SIBO or yeast overgrowth in the gut which doesn't allow them to absorb the B12 naturally in the gut from food which then causes the deficiency which will add to the issues. For dogs who cant absorb B12 then often they have to receive it in injection form. You can read more on Cobalmin/B12 deficiency on the link below.

    https://www.cliniciansbrief.com/sit...alNotes_Treatment of Cobalamin Deficiency.pdf

     
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    He is a lovely looking boy!
    Just to second these posts re: Chappie. Back when I had my dog (15 years ago) I was advised to try Chappie when we had a similar situation. Back then I believe it contained more rice and not much fat according to the vet who recommended it. It looked fairly grim, but he enjoyed it and it seemed to help his condition.
     
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    I would definitely recommend Lily’s Kitchen food. My two have very sensitive food tolerances and suffered with colitis as puppies. Haven’t had any problems since switching them to Lily’s. You would have to move him over to any new food slowly to avoid any further tummy upsets.
    If mine ever have a really bad tummy from eating anything on walks, I give them boiled rice, chicken & scrambled egg (just pure egg no milk etc)
    Hope you find something that’s works for him soon
    xx
     
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    The quality of canned foods such as Rinti, Rocco and many others (not found in supermarkets) can actually be very good.
     
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    Clairey262 PetForums Newbie

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    Thankyou so much for this. Such a informative message. Il certainly do some more research into this. Xx
     
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    Thankyou for everyone’s reply’s. Really didn’t expect the responses I’ve had on this so really appreciated! He’s been on chappy mixed in with his biscuits for two days now. So far so good at the moment. Thanks to everyone x
     
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    That’s good news. Very encouraging. Hopefully your lovely boy is on the mend.
    I wouldn’t give him anything else. Use his biscuits for treats or bake a bit of Chappie. Keep it simple for his tum.
    If he continues to do well, stick with it for a few months. Sensitive tums can take ages to get better and a each set back take longer. I made that mistake. Some dogs need Chappie for life.
    May be try Bionic Biotics or YuDigest to boost tum health.
    Keeping everything crossed for you.
     
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    Thankyou :) the only reason I’ve chosen to give him half and half biscuits and chappie was because I thought maybe it was best to wean him off the biscuits slowly rather than stopping them immediately and giving him 100% chappie. As each day goes on il reduce the biscuit quantity I think just to see if we see any improvement... do you think chappie alone enough for him? Could I add some rice with it maybe ?
     
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    Chappie is a complete food on it's own so there's no need to add anything. Of course you can add rice (or anything else) if you like but it's not essential.

    If the Chappie is working then personally I'd give him some time before adding anything.
     
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