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5 month older German Sheperd puppy being too aggressive with my older dogs, please he

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by GS123, Aug 7, 2009.


  1. GS123

    GS123 PetForums Newbie

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    I just got a 4 month old german shepherd puppy 6 days ago, he is kept in a pen but I bring him out 2-3 times a day to socialize him and get his energy out with walks etc. His breeder had him extremely socialized with people, dogs, cats, horses etc so meeting new dogs is nothing new for him. I did notice when we first met the puppy he was playfully aggressive with his uncle and he now treats my dogs in the same manner.

    He's a great dog and I'm already seeing great progress in some of the obedience training, however when I introduced him to my dogs (an 8 year old german shepherd and a 3 year old Italian Mastiff) he becomes overly excited and goes right at their face with playful biting and he puts his paws on their face and tries to stand up on them.

    Both my dogs have been very patient but are becoming quite irritated, he actually jumped on my 8 year old german shepherd and hurt him and now he’s limping a bit. The breeder who has been doing this for 30 years said supervise them but let the older ones dominate the pup so that he knows his limitations.

    The mastiff has completely dominated him and the puppy seems to be giving up on that aggressive play, but he continues to jump and bite at my older german shepherd and the older one does not retaliate. My older shepherd never dominates puppies but always dominates older dogs for some reason.

    So now what I do is leash the pup around them and slightly give the leash a tug when he displays this behavior. It seems to be marginally helping, but I'm not quite sure what to do.

    I would appreciate any advice on what to do since I feel like I am not sure how to approach this situation. Both my dogs DO enjoy his company and like him but I don't want to risk my older shepherd getting hurt. Is this normal playful behavior or aggression?

    Thank you
     
  2. claire

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    Sound like he is just acting like a puppy to me. Also only coming out of his pen 2-3 time a day does'nt seem to be enough, he need to be out more and be more socialised and burn off more energy
     
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    I know and I feel like he's just playing, but I want to stop him from going overboard because he's hurting my dog and I'm not sure what to do.
     
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    Why is the dog kept in a pen?
     
  5. claire

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    Maybe its because he hasnt been exercised enough, maybe walk him first before he plays with the other dogs. In my opinion for him to be penned so much is causing alot of the problems, 2/3 times a day out isnt enough, try having him out more, maybe he wont be so overexcited and overpowering. Pups have loads of energy dont they, he is just being a puppy :) enjoy him
     
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    GS123 PetForums Newbie

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    It's for the time being,

    he is kept outdoors and he can escape easily through our gates since he is small, be attacked by coyotes, etc. I will take him out in a month, in the meantime I bring him out for over 2 hours a day.

    I've done this with both my other dogs and have had positive results, it was also advised to me by all my breeders.
     
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  7. claire

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    I honestly dont believe thats enough pups need lots of time and love, 2 hours a day isnt enough, they need as much work as children. I think you should reconsider how long he is locked up for.
    I believe that is what is causing him to be boisterous.
    He is possible over excited and understimulated.
     
  8. Nicci

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    Personally I think the same, he isn't being let out of his 'pen' often and long enough.

    Can I just ask, why have you had a puppy around a breed like the Cane Corso ? It sounds like a disaster just waiting to happen when he isn't getting what I would call enough one to one socialization with you, as well as the other two dogs.
     
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    He's doing quite fine with the corso, they are getting along. It's the other german shepherd he's having problems with. Both my dogs are well trained and are not being aggressive with him, when he attacks the corso he just dominates him with growling, that does the trick.

    He gets alot of attention and love throughout the day, but we excersice him and play for about 2 hours a day total. I read that you should NOT overly workout\play with a puppy at a young age as it can cause joint pains, this is why I minimize the play time
     
  10. claire

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    Im gonna say i disagree that a pup should only be played with/walked for 2 hours a day. I think playing a socialised should be an all day activity. Walks shouldnt be over done tho, IMO 22hours in a pen is far too much
     
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    I don't quite understand why he's in a pen :confused:

    He's 5 months, he's going to be extremely playful. My 9 months GSD was and still is the same. She's always chasing after my (much smaller) collie cross and nipping her legs bum, barking at her, pawing her and generally acting like a pup.

    Another question I have is why is he outside? Are your other dogs outside dogs too?

    I personally don't understand why they are kept outside...Do they happen to be working dogs kept in a kennel?
     
  12. Nicci

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    It won't stay like that forever with a Corso and a dog that is growing up, how is he supposed to learn what boundaries he can push if he's in a pen for 22 hours a day ?

    I'm sorry but it's not acceptable.
     
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    i agree with everyone, m pup is around 5month now and when she is put in her crate for an hour 2 at the most she is well over excited when i get back just because she wants attention and fuss i hate leavin her i try to take her everywhere with me.. i agree with the kids bit they r just like children if not worse my pup wants more attention then my 2 year old lol!! 22hours is far too long!! she needs to be with people and animals more than 2 hours aday!
     
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    dog pen should not = dog penitentiary

    rest and timeout

    he needs to learn his boundaries fast as the corso wont tolerate it forever imo
     
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    I agree, 22 hours for a pup to be in a pen is just cruel! :(
    No wonder the dog is very hyper and jumps all over the other dogs.

    When my pup was 5 months old, if he was even left for a few hours alone he was hyper and in need of a walk and some play.


    yes it is important not to over exercise breeds that are prone to hip problems, but that means like, not huge long walks for hours, and not jumping around loads or going up and down stairs.

    You should exercise your dog, and do some training to calm him down, then walk him with the other two dogs, so they are all calm together.

    x
     
  16. claire

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    Sorry if im wrong and I hope I am but this thread feels like abit of a wind up?? Im just finding some of it hard to believe
     
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    Ok guys,

    I guess I was rushing too fast into getting advice that I didn't explain the situation properly.

    Allow me to rephrase;

    I basically live in a 1 acre property, I have fenced off half of a large portion of my backyard for my German Shepherd puppy. It's about 20 feet long and 10 feet wide area for him. Perhaps when I said pen people got the wrong idea of what I meant. I have done this because when I am at work he is vulnerable to coyotes, they can get him if he is loose. On top of that he is still small enough to escape through our front gate, and in about 2-3 weeks he will be too big to get out. Then I will have him out 24 full time.

    I bring him out about 4-5 hours a day, but I only excersice him and play with him for about 2 hours a day. I was TOLD by my veterinarian, the breeders, and online sources NOT to excersise more than 1-2 hours a day as it will cause joint problems and arthiritis as he gets older.

    I will do anything you guys recommend, I love my dogs and I am not acting ignoring nor neglecting the dog. I am only doing as was recommended, this is my 3rd dog and I would never neglect or hurt my animals.

    I would appreciate any advice as that would help my situation and the puppy, criticizing me and calling me cruel may help you feel better but it wont help me and ultimately the dogs life.

    Thank you again for your comments and criticisms as I am open to both.
     
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    It's likely that he had pent up energy then, does he have toys to play with when he's not with you or the other dogs? Perhaps you should allow him out for longer so he and your dogs can get accoustomed. That way he won't feel the need to jump all over them everytime he sees them.

    My girl often goes for long walks (but not at the minute because she is in her first season). We give her daily supplements of cod liver oil/vitmain A etc and she doesn't suffer for it :)
     
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    Yes he has toys in there,

    he quickly calms down when he's alone but he goes nuts over the dogs. The corso bit at him today and he yelped. I stopped it immediately, no harm but I am a little concerned as he sometimes goes overboard.
     
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    It is most likely that he doesn't spend enough time with them then and goes nuts when he sees them. My girl whenever she sees my mum's dogs goes hyper and mad. I would suggest just letting them be together for longer so they get used to each other.

    If the biting isn't nasty I would allow them to sort it out between themselves. Obviously step in if things get a bit much.

    Why not let the 3 sleep together?
     
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