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4 cats all with intermittent diarrhea...faecal test negative!

Discussion in 'Cat Health and Nutrition' started by impulce, Aug 21, 2013.


  1. impulce

    impulce PetForums Member

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    Hello,

    I'm having a very stressful time at the moment as all 4 of my cats have diarrhea, and wondered if anyone had had any similar experiences. We have two moggies and two maine coons - one of which is a 15 week old kitten we picked up last week.

    It started with my adult maine coon a few weeks ago so isn't something bought in by the kitten. He had explosive diarrhea, was put on an antibiotic and seemed to get better. We picked up the new kitten thinking all was fixed, but gradually the other 3 have come down with it and the original cat has got it again, or was never actually cured. It starts off watery and they seemed down in themselves during the first bout, then perk up. All 4 have been on antibiotics, but three have now finished the course. The kitten has been kept separate from the others and is still taking her antibiotic. The faecal test came back negative for everything.

    I was trying to keep them seperate to avoid infection but they were fed up and I didn't want stress to be making things worse, so I let the three adults mix once their antibiotics finished but am still keeping them away from the kitten.

    All of them are now fine in themselves, eating and drinking etc and on pro-kolin probiotic Powder. They have all vomitted at some point but only once or twice. They now seem to have very soft poo interspersed by normal poo. It's driving me mad as I think they're getting better then one of them will do a soft poo again! They're pooing on average twice a day, and don't appear to be dehydrated. I'm not sure whether to ask for another faecal sample as I know some parasites etc dont show all the time.

    I'm a teacher so luckily have been off work during all this to keep an eye on them, but I have literally spent all day every day cleaning, mopping, disinfecting and driving to the vets and I start back at work soon so don't want to be at work worrying about them :( It's exhausting with 4 of them and I just want them to get better.

    I'm not sure what I'm after really, as I've read every possible article online to do with diarrhea and parasites/bacteria, I think I just wanted to talk to like minded cat-lovers as my friends and family are starting to get fed up of hearing about cat poo and don't understand why I am so stressed out by it all!

    Thanks for listening
     
  2. catcoonz

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    Bless a baby coon my favourite breed of cat.

    Ok, ive had this problem before, several things to try as the stool samples are negative for nasties.

    1. teaspoon pumpkin, Libby's natural pumpkin from waitrose or Aldi is best, give this twice a day until stools firm up.

    2. Purely food from p@h, good for sensitive tummies, i have found anyway.

    3. Instead of pro-kaolin from vets you can get from the chemist a bottle of Kaolin but make sure it doesnt contain morphine, adults can have 5ml once a day, just get a syringe and squirt in mouth (easy), kitten 2ml aday if not sever or 2ml twice a day if it is.

    Give it 2 days and you should be back to normal stools, introduce other food slowly, if you get tummy problems again back to these steps and restart with a different food until you finally get there.
     
  3. Satori

    Satori One of Life's Winners.

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    Couple of questions. 1 What are you feeding them? 2. Why antibiotics?
     
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  4. impulce

    impulce PetForums Member

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    They were on royal canin light dry, with the baby coming to us on royal canin kitten and applaws. They have been on the same food for ages with no changes.

    The antibiotics were given to the first one as he had a temp so they presumed infection. The others all came down with it soon after, obv not diet related as nothing had changed and obviously something contagious so antibiotics were given to them as well.

    What concerns me is that intermittent diarrhea could be giardia, or campylobacter or something similar. Lots of Internet searches seem to suggest these two in particular don't always show in every faecal test, can be intermittent and also need specialised antibiotics.

    It's the intermittent nature of it that has me worried - when my cats have had other little issues in the past, once it's gone its gone. For them all to be responding in exactly the same way, suggests to me some viral/bacterial/parasitic infectious thing that hasn't gone yet. For that reason, I'm fastidiously cleaning/hand washing/keeping the kitten away from them etc and its becoming very tiring now!
     
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    Forgot to say. They've all been on royal canin sensitive vets diet and/or chicken and rice for over a week now.
     
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    I have exactly the same problem and am just waiting for tests to come back.

    Vet did warn me though that sometimes you get negative results when there is actually something going on.
     
  7. jenna107

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    I'm glad your vet warned you of false negative results. Mine just brushed me off and said its negative, there are no parasites or worms etc. I have found through extensive Internet searching that what she said is actually incorrect and I have lack of confidence in her now!!!!
     
  8. impulce

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    I'm glad it's not just me! My vet said the same and did suggest a sample over 4 days if it didn't clear up, but I've been given probiotic powder for 5 days to try first as the antibiotics mess with the good digestive bacteria too.
     
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    When you say negative for everything...

    1. Have you had the QPCR test for TF? Normally you have to ask for this specifically, but TF is a possibility.
    2. Did you collect faecal samples for each cat spanning three days? If so, the results of your panel might as well be thrown out with the bath water as many parasites are intermittent shedders, and you won't know for sure without this three day sample.
     
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    Just as I was typing, Milo did a watery poo again :( Im so fed up of this. It's been going on for 3 weeks now and I've spent most waking hours thinking about it/worrying about it/cleaning up. Poor babies :(
     
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    impulce PetForums Member

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    I was just told negative for parasites. I know that includes giardia as I specifically mentioned it, but I hadn't heard of TF - I'm going to ring the vet tomorrow so I will ask. The sample was only from 24 hours but the vet said another from over a few days will be needed if it doesn't clear up so that is the next step I think. I am watching them 24/7 as I'm so worried they're going to get dehydrated etc :(
     
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    Just so you know the sort of thing you should be getting when you ask for a printout of results, the following is part of an email which was forwarded to me for comment by someone who has a good vet who uses a good lab. The vet got the results by email and forwarded them straight on to the owner. I've actually cut a fair bit out for the sake of neatness.


    Tritrichomonas PCR NEGATIVE
    Toxoplasma PCR NEGATIVE
    Feline Enteritis PCR POSITIVE
    Comment Feline Panleucopenia Virus causes acute anorexia, vomiting,
    dehydration and less frequently diarrhoea. Fever and leucopenia
    are common.
    Feline Coronavirus PCR POSITIVE
    Comment Feline Coronavirus (FCoV) is a common viral infection in cats.A
    positive FCoV PCR result on weekly faecal samples for 4
    consecutive weeks can be used to detect chronic shedding
    carriers. A cat that tests negative on weekly faecal FCoV PCR
    tests for 4 consecutive weeks is unlikely to be a chronic
    carrier.
    Giardia spp. PCR (GIARSP) NEGATIVE
    Cryptosporidium spp. PCR POSITIVE
    Salmonella spp. PCR NEGATIVE
    C. perfringens A gene PCR POSITIVE
    Comment Clostridium perfringens is part of the normal flora of dogs and
    cats but may cause diarrhoea as a consequence of enterotoxin
    production. Concurrent detection of C. perfringens enterotoxin
    by ELISA (test code CLOS) provides stronger evidence that
    infection with an enterotoxigenic strain of this organism is
    the cause of C.perfringens-associated diarrhoea.
     
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    I have no confidence in vets either.and am half expecting the results back negative....but I will still have a hefty bill.
     
  14. Shadow And Lightning

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    we had similar issues when mine were younger and it took three lots of testing to find out the cause, and now to be honest I cant even remember what was found, they all had a course of tablets and were fine. but sounds very similar, I had 8 at the time so I do feel for you, one of mine had it that bad he would poo during his sleep and whilst walking :(
     
  15. impulce

    impulce PetForums Member

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    I hadn't asked for a print out as they gave me the results over the phone, and in fairness most people would probably want the simplified version as they like to "leave it to the vet" so I can see why they don't offer it as standard. I'm sure if I asked I could see it though.
     
  16. impulce

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    Thanks, its reassuring that yours recovered well :) I feel like we just need to pinpoint what it is and then blitz them all for it, but in the meantime it's a nightmare to manage and even my OH is getting pi**ed off with me going on about it now. I just hate to see my babies poorly.
     
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    Hence 'most' people will then end up paying for multiple visits and further individual tests if the initial panel the vet asked the lab for wasn't comprehensive. If that doesn't matter to 'most' people then I have no problem with vets making money from them :)
     
  18. impulce

    impulce PetForums Member

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    I didn't mean it like that. But the majority of the medical language in that report means nothing to the average person - my vets wouldn't have offered it to me, because the chances are I wouldn't understand most of the language anyway. If anything came back as positive it would have been explained fully. If I asked to see it, I'm sure I could.

    I trust my vets and understand completely why they wouldn't offer such a complex report to everybody that has a faecal test, unless requested.
     
  19. Satori

    Satori One of Life's Winners.

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    If they have chronic diarrhea I would assume something parasitic but if the diarrhea is only since the antibiotics for three of them you might consider that the antibiotics are the cause. It might settle down on its own for them.

    The first thing I would do for all of them is to get them on a different diet. I don't feed dry anyway but would certainly never feed dry to a cat with diarrhea ; that will just make the dehydration worse. I know others will disagree, but I would stop feeding RC wet too. Yes, it's another variable to control and yes, I know diet seems not to be the underlying cause. However, I would not feel comfortable feeding high residue junk food that puts an unnecessary burden on an already delicate GI system.

    Personally I would give all of them the giardiasis protocol with Panacur paste even while waiting for the various test results. This might seem an odd thing to do without a positive test result but it might provide temporary relief from tf or even permanent relief from giardia not discovered by the last test. Then I would switch to a raw diet.
     
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    impulce PetForums Member

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    They all started with the same type of diarrhea before being put on antibiotics.
    For now I'm not going to make any dietary changes - the chicken and rice seems to be the thing going down the best.
     
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