Interesting when they talk about the ferry crossings and lorries. As far as i know, these days only Dover is being used? Why not reopen the other ports and use them? More jobs would go down very well in the nearby areas.
As linked already in another thread, port authorities say apart from Dover, the other ports already have the logistics in place as they’ve been dealing with produce, imports and exports, worldwide for years. 95% of Eu produce goes through Dover, so it’s mainly Dover that needs sorting for Eu products after brexit.
Ps: if it isn’t sorted, that’s the current British government and probably the Eu at fault, not people who voted to leave.
Totally agree. I would hope that no conventionally sane person voted for the chaos that might well now result. It was foreseeable as soon as Theresa May was appointed leader of the Conservative party however.
I always assumed that her appointment would mean that wouldn't really leave after all. That may yet be the outcome. On the other hand, it may be that we serendipitously get the hard (leave without a deal) brexit that I have always preferred. However the big difference is that I would have liked no-deal to have been the default option so that we could have prepared properly for it... as opposed to the circus that we have witnessed over the last couple of years.
The current government has a great deal to answer for, not that they ever will of course.
I always assumed that her appointment would mean that wouldn't really leave after all. That may yet be the outcome. On the other hand, it may be that we serendipitously get the hard (leave without a deal) brexit that I have always preferred.
The economist recently posted a poll from 7th June 2016 which showed only a fifth of people when voting expected it would mean leave the single market/customs union. That's not who would agree to leave knowing it but shows how expectations were falsely set and how things have changed in 2 years. No shock considering even now, those pushing leaving the customs union and single market refer back to Cameron and what was labelled project feat, rather than the leave campaign's message. So how many of those who didn't expect it would mean leaving the single market would have voted differently?
Changing the subject slightly away from brexit (shock I know). What the whole process of brexit has shown is the complete lack of respect for the population by the UK politicians. It's pushed the idea that lies and misinformation is the way forward by politicians as they are not held accountable in any way.
I agree, Ramsgate for example could do with the jobs however.. who is going to pay for it all? As with a lot of thing brexit.. more costs for no real gain.
Can you point that link out again.. Politicians have been highlighting other ports I know and those I have seen. I know Associated British Ports operates Southampton and states that less than two percent of goods passing through are subject to physical checks by customs officials. However that is surely made possible by the 50+ trade arrangements through the EU allowing goods to be pre-cleared, even goods from outside the EU. We would lose that capability as we would no longer have those treaties until they can be renegotiated.
We don't just have Ramsgate, how about Folkstone or Sheerness? As for the money. the money is there if we stop spending so much on wars that are nothing to do with us. ( imo ).
I mentioned Ramsgate mainly as I know Thanet in general has suffered over the years with higher than average unemployment. Sheerness already has more capacity so from that aspect would be potentially better. Don't know about Folkestone. I agree about priority on government spending but that's not something brexit will change. If anything the "little nation" trying to prove itself and nationalistic, not patriotic, pride will probably mean more war spending to assert ourselves globally. The core fact remains though, it's another cost simply trying to match what we already have.
Now if you are going to push for opening new ports etc you should also push the idea of free ports. Again pros and cons to those and I am aware of nothing the government has previously mentioned which has indicated they are going to be on the cards, certainly in the short term. One of the primary disadvantages isn't something you'll notice mentioned anywhere.. the environmental impact. An important question: would free ports really make up for the losses due to the single market and customs union? Then again.. what is stopping the UK from having free ports whilst in the EU?
No I bloody don't. I'm still cross, still isn't what I agreed to and have no intention of going over the same old ground here. If I talk about it, it will be with my MP.
Why are we, as a forum, obsessed with anything and everything relating to Brexit? Brexit threads always turn sour and end up closed, so can't we find something else to discuss?
I was bored to tears by anything to do with Brexit the day after it happened. Mind numbingly dull. I've always said it's a shame we didn't just stay in, so that everyone could then shut the hell up about it.
I’m a New Zealander and only know the basics about Brexit.
I lived in the UK for 2 years and would dearly love to return to settle there, particularly as I’d like to peruse a career in a certain field that just isn’t available here. Plus I just love the country!
At the moment it’s nearly impossible for me to move there to work.
What are your opinions around immigration with Brexit, particularly from commonwealth countries? I’ve read a bit online but there’s some varying opinions - some say immigration from the EU will continue, some say it won’t but that deals might be made with nz, Australia and Canada.
I’m not trying to stir the pot - I’m genuinely interested!
I'm a New Zealander and only know the basics about Brexit.
I lived in the UK for 2 years and would dearly love to return to settle there, particularly as I'd like to peruse a career in a certain field that just isn't available here. Plus I just love the country!
At the moment it's nearly impossible for me to move there to work.
What are your opinions around immigration with Brexit, particularly from commonwealth countries? I've read a bit online but there's some varying opinions - some say immigration from the EU will continue, some say it won't but that deals might be made with nz, Australia and Canada.
I'm not trying to stir the pot - I'm genuinely interested!
The UK has a Prime Minister who is obsessed with immigration targets, so much she's prepared to sacrifice a satisfactory trade deal with the EU that would allow continued access to the single market and customs union. The EU rightly insists freedom of movement would have to continue, not forgetting the UK citizens rights to freely travel across other member states that will have to end as well which breaks my heart quite frankly.
Theresa May rejected that for that reason alone. Norway and Switzerland seem to do OK but as usual TM knows best. The UK will have to leave the SM and CU for that reason alone.
And don't forget the disgusting Windrush scandal through her hostile environment policy, where people have wrongly been deported.
And I won't stop there. The opposition leader is assisting Theresa May in delivering her Brexit.
I've seen the interview and do not regret my decision, as a lifelong Labour Party supporter, to have given my vote to an EU backing political party in the recent local elections.
Interesting when they talk about the ferry crossings and lorries. As far as i know, these days only Dover is being used? Why not reopen the other ports and use them? More jobs would go down very well in the nearby areas.
No idea about the actual figures, but it's logical. If we're taking back all decision making powers from the EU, there will be more work required of our decision makers.
Although not necessarily involving MPs, the work currently done by the 35 EU agencies will at least in part need to be done here - we can't just stop doing everything - plus liaison with those agencies, which further increases public sector costs. I guess we will save some money from our representation on EU bodies, but overall the costs will surely rise.
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