Why are puppies SO expensive to buy?!

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  1. rocco33

    rocco33 PetForums VIP

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    Really? Not if they are having a litter of cute pups and don't have a clue. Why would you think their early socialisation would be better?
     
  2. Sosha

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    Loved family pet, raised in the home, possible kids, other pets etc...

    Vs
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    (Can't get shot/ dump them at a rescue in a box/ ship 'em in from some barn in ireland, raised in Kennels if no foster available)

    Not saying there aren't muppets who you can walk away from/ or that rescues don't do a good job socializing pups. Just "So can Joe public"
     
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  3. Sosha

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    If we're talking a breed that has required health tests then ofcourse.

    Doubt my second hand JRT x's ancestors had any - or the office Lurcher who was brought as a pup.
     
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    I do take your point.

    However the problem remains that when buying dogs/pups over Gumtree for example, you only ever have the seller's word for it re who the sire was, for instance...

    If someone is careless over either letting their bitch get pregnant OR actively mating her, without the vital health tests etc, then I personally would not WANT to trust that they are being more careful over other things including the truth...

    And I certainly would never ever be happy to line the pockets of anyone who let their dog have a litter simply because 'she's a nice dog' or some such 'reason'.

    At least with a rescue, while the origins of the dog may be no better, any money you pay goes to the rescue - and not to someone who bred from their pet without doing health tests.
     
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    But I would argue that supporting someone who bred their pet Lab, for instance, is highly unethical IF the dam and sire were not hip scored. Not just unethical but morally repugnant, to me. I speak as someone with a young Lab who has hip dysplasia.

    There are countless people who breed their Labs without even ensuring there are no eye problems, and no potential hip dysplasia. How is that NOT unethical :confused:
     
  6. Sosha

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    Yep. Agreed. though you could substitute "Ill-informed" sometimes.
     
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    I'd also argue someone breeding from a health tested dog, with the knowledge that the results are not suitable to breed from is just as culpable as someone who hasn't bothered to health test at all. It happens too often, even with supposedly ethical breeders.
     
  8. rocco33

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    Shouldn't make any difference whether a breed or cross breed - they should still have the health tests relevant to the breed. And health tests are only a small part of the costs incurred when raising a litter.

    Well, then it's unlikely your second hand JRTx or the office lurcher came from an ethical breeder.
     
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    But ill-informed is unethical. Surely a breeder should have a duty to breed responsibly. The information is all out there - ill informed is not an excuse.
     
  10. Sosha

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    Who knows on the Terrier. I wouldn't swap him though.

    Office Lurcher came from 2 working Lurchers whose owners wanted a pup from them. Are there health tests for Lurchers?

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    Can you be "unethical" if you don't know what you're doing is wrong?
     
  11. Nagini

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    yes!
    with the wealth of information out there now , there's absolutely NO reason not to know.
     
  12. Sleeping_Lion

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    Yes, ignorance is no excuse.

    Lurchers do not generally have health tests, but again, there are thousands bred, and they're not an easy type of dog necessarily to rehome.

    If you don't know about the background of your terrier, I'd also have to agree that the breeders were/are unethical.

    Whether specific health tests are available to use or not, someone who breeds needs to research properly, be knowledgeable about conformation as poor conformation can result in health issues, and must breed for temperament. The vast majority of homes available are for pets only, and whilst you want a dog with drive to work, they must also fit in with a pet type of home, as that's where the vast majority of pups bred will end up. Otherwise you're simply breeding pups/dogs that need to be pts.
     
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    Yes, of course. Same way as you can break the law without knowing. Ignorance is no excuse.
     
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    Quite right! puppies that are raised with puppies usually have good bite inhibition, far too many are taken away from dam and litter mates before they have had a chance to learn bite inhibition.

    As for kids I always judge how well do the kids behave with a dog, instead of how well do the dogs behave with kids. Not so many kids these days are brought up to respect animals, lots are just indulged with a puppy to be used as a toy/playmate.
     
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    I actually don't think puppies are that expensive really.

    If you look at the fact your dog will hopefully give you many years of love and loyalty, a few hundred pounds is such a small price to pay.

    I bought my first ever pedigree kitten late last year (have always had rescue cats previously). The last thing I considered was how much she would cost. I'd spent years learning about the breed, assessing whether it was the right breed for me and my other pets, researching any common health issues etc and the cost was never really a factor. I paid a few hundred pounds because it was around the average price for that type of kitten, I would have paid twice that amount if that's what the average was.
     
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    I was just thinking what it cost me to buy my lot, it was £1,700 for three of them, and then Tau's litter put me £3k in the red, so that was one expensive puppy!!!
     
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    I agree. Putting aside the cost of raising a puppy/litter and the price (and I can't think of any other area that people criticise prices in this way and think that breeders should somehow be out of pocket) which is rarely much more than covering costs (on average).

    The cost of a puppy in my breed is £600 - £700. Even at £700 and living a minimum of 10 years, that works out at a cost of £70 per year.... £5.80 per month..... £1.35 per week.... or less than 20p per day! Is that really a high price to pay :confused:

    The amount may be more than many have sitting in the bank to go and spend on the spur of the moment, but then I don't think puppies should be bought on the spur of the moment.
     
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    I have had many breeds of dogs , some rescued, some born here and others from breeders.

    All dogs come with potential issues and even with the best health checks can still encounter problems.
    My newfoundland pup has had £10,000 spent on him this year alone and yet his parents were health checked and tested and he wasnt cheap to buy after I lost my last Newfoundland.

    Jessie my rescue cost us £3000 to get well after we had rescued her, she came from a rescue facility which I wouldnt put my enemy's in.

    Merlin was born here and has the best we can afford and yet has a dodgy stomach .The litter from his mum Jessie was unexpected and cost us £1000's in costs and we never recovered that money (she was already pregnant when we rescued her so not an intentional breeding).

    There are pluses and minuses for every avenue, good insurance is a must nowadays and it costs us more for this than their other costs per month.
    Good rescues dont make a huge profit and yes their are puppies and young dogs that need homes as well as ones that are rehomed due to loss of homes,etc.
    I wouldnt preclude a breed but with three children you will need as much info as possible and puppies are easier in that it is your responsability to train and work with them.

    I am sorry for the loss of your furkid, its so hard and while I tend to rehome instantly it doesnt always work that way for others. I still miss my boy I lost last year and though i have a young pup it hasnt taken away the heartache though he does keep me busy and on my toes and I wouldnt part with him.

    Its just that the one I lost was my heart, soul and best friend but Max is still my friend just not to the same level.good luck whichever way you go
     
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    I disagree :)

    With the availability of so much info re breeding online, there is no excuse for anyone to randomly breed from their dog without first researching the vital health tests.
     
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    I just started with my daughter junior handling, because she loves animals and wanted to have fun at 14. The age where you want to keep them interested in things they enjoy. She is doig well and breed her golden for the first time. We asked the same thing when getting started and no one would allow her to buy a show dog without it costing 3,000. We went to a breeder that was doing the same things the big money breeders were and decided to try it. Our dog just happen to have the top golden bloodline in the U.S. for best of breed. Now, we breed with another young man who helped us and his dog just won against all odds in a large metropolitan show.

    My thing is when we want others to get started, if they all stop from doing it correctly, then you have backyard breeders. But, if done properly with assistance as we've had with the not so prominent AKC people, then you can do it right.

    Cost is justified for 1200.00 and I'll explain. Breeding with a male, 1200.00, cardiac test, hips xrays and elbows, dna testing, eye testing to make sure that we are not passing on any horrible things to our pet owners. Special food during welping to maintain the best possible outcome. Advertise to find quality good homes, not on the corner of the road, traveling to the shows so you can make sure the dog is justified first and foremost to make other babies and one weekend can range over 400 to 500.00 carefully depending on where you go. So, when you want a quality puppy, maybe think about what goes into it. It's not throwing to dogs in the backyard and hoping for babies. One we have will never be bred, because she has bad skin. So, we feed her daily and love her as our own. Some pass the dogs on to homes for pets, but I'm attached to my dogs, so they stay.

    We are Due with "Allis Palace Mayce a Star" any day we're in Michigan. I'm praying she's Okay and she is over due 5 days. So, I'm not sure that makes people angry or sad, but I also do rescue living on a farm in the country where I receive approximately 1 litter a year at least and multiple dogs that are thrown out because of bad training, breeding, etc. So, choose wisely so later you won't have to find them a home.
     
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