RSPCA keep visiting me.... Advice needed

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  1. Trackerbob

    Trackerbob PetForums Junior

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    From someone who knows...

    3 points of unwanted contact (such as unfounded/ malicious claims to the RSPCA...) is sufficient for the person in question to be issued with a harassment warning by the police, meaning that any further incidents would result in that person being arrested. Even if the RSPCA cannot disclose to you who the person is, inter-agency co-operation should produce this!

    Hope all goes well!
     
  2. Freyja

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    We have had a similar problem for a few years now. The first time the inspector more or less told us it was out neighbour. She asked if they had a dog gave us her number and said if we see the slightest thing wrong to give her a ring. Since then she has been out 3/4 times. She is never let in only at my conveince which usually involves me phoning them and not getting a reply for 2 weeks. She has told us they are mailious calls and we said if you know who it is tell them if we get another visit we will be going to the police and reporting them for harrassment and will tell them to find out from the RSPCA who it is. She also told me to put up kennels and have the dogs outside then no one can complain I said they would bark she said thats not her problem. I also said there are a lot of theifts of whippets in our area she basically said thats the risk you'll have to take.

    I have been told since you do not have to allow them into your property you can make them wait outside and take your animals out to see them. They need a court order and to be accompanied by a police officer to insist on entry to your property. Also if you are not at home they can not go onto your property to look for themselves eg just go round the back to check without obtaining your permission first.
     
  3. Fenris

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    You should not be letting the RSPCA into or onto your property. Nor should you be taking animals out to them as someone else has suggested.

    The RSPCA have no rights. If a tramp who was staggering down the road swigging from a wine bottle told you he had received a complaint about your animals and wanted to inspect them would you show him in? Or take the animals out to him? No?

    Well the RSPCA have exactly the same rights he has. Follow the SHG guidelines. Be Polite but firm. Refuse them entry and refuse to answer their questions. Make sure you have photos of all of your animals and the way they are kept. Get your vet out and make sure that he has no criticism to make and get a written report. See hhp://the-shg.org or call their helpline on 0844 700 66 90.

    Report the malicious complaints to the police. They have a duty to investigate. They can also insist that the RSPCA give them the name of the complainant, although you should make it clear to the police that you consider the RSPCA to be harassing you too, as they should be now be aware that complaints from this source are malicious.

    It is important to involve the police at this stage because the RSPCA may well decide they want access to your property/animals, to seize your animals/ have you arrested and held at the police station pending interveiw. For all of these things they need police cooperation. Why? Because the RSPCA have no powers.

    If the police refuse to act there is a complaint procedure which you will find on the Independent Police Complaints Commission website.

    At the same time, put in a subject data access request on the RSPCA, both head office and local branch. You want all of the information they hold on you. See the data commissioner's website. You will need to send the RSPCA £10 and a proof of ID. Send them an electricity bill or something with your name and address on, but NOT photo ID.

    Note that the RSPCA will respond by sending you a form which asks all sorts of intrusive questions relating to whether you donate to them, have left them any money in your will and which solicitor holds a copy of it, how many animals and of which type you keep etc. Do not fill in this form. Write back asking what law/regulation they are claiming states you must fill it in and ask them to action your request. They will then comply.

    They will also state that if the request relates to an inspecor's visit they will provide the information free and you will not need to make a subject data access request.

    This is a get out. If you follow this route the RSPCA do not need to provide you with anything they wish to hold back. The only way to obtain everything is to make the proper request.

    Note that they will delete contact details, but depending on the wording it is often easy enough to identify the person who made the complaint.

    It is also sometimes surprising to see what an inspector who had seemed friendly enough has actually written.
     
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  4. Blitz

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    I am another one that thinks it very odd that the inspector should say they have to investigate every complaint and that they keep on coming back when they know it to be a malicious unfounded complaint.
    I had the opposite problem. A lot people, myself included, put in a complaint about some neglected horses. I was told that the inspector had spoken to the owner on the phone and it was obvious nothing was wrong and that we were all (totally independently!) being spiteful. Eventually one woman got so fed up with it she called the vet out when the owner wasnt there and the vet was so horrified he destroyed two of the horses on the spot without the owners permission.
     
  5. PoisonGirl

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    If the sspca were coming out to me regular from someones stupid calls then yes, I would refuse them access after a while.
    But, I think refusing them acces is making it look like you are hiding something. If someone told them I was not looking after my dogs I would be more than happy to let them come and have a look.


    I know for a fact that the sspca do not check out every single case they have called in. When I lived in glasgow there were some dogs near my friends who were chained in a shed 24/7 with no food or attention. We called the sspca back after complaining and was told they had been out. They hadn't. We had a camera set up to record how often people were going to the dogs.
    It was then loads of calls before they even came out. The gate was locked no one was in so they left a note. Still it took us a week to get them to come and get the police involved to break in. By this time 2 of the dogs had died, one had to be pts on the spot and I took the other even though they said she would die, I only just managed to save her life.

    They need help from the police to stop these stupied people calling them wasting time and actually get off there butt and go to real cases where they are needed instead of pretending they do.

    x
     
  6. hazel pritchard

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    Could you contact the inspectors boss and tell him/her whats happening ?
     
  7. clarksbabe

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    im having the same problem one of our neighbours keep reporting me to the rspca and they keep calling, me and my partner works and takes our dogs with us and im self employed so can take off work when needs be. we breed our Husky with our female husky x malamute and problems started when i wouldnt give my neighbour one for free. she complains if our dogs make a noise after 8pm as it upsets her disabled daughter. these neighbours argue till 3am fight in the street and have police round regular. they have also beaten up people on our street and are alcholics and drug dealers. they have put out our window and 1st reported us neglect our dogs and have abandont them. second report was they are starved and kept outdoors constanly without food or water. and they third was im breeding illegal fighting dogs all of these are untrue. both my dogs and pups and all healthy and overweight if anythink. she told me she was calling them when we had potential buyers for a pup. these people dicided not to buy due to the confrontation when the buyers was here. i live and breath for my dogs and im worried sick they will think im neglecting them due to the false calls. the street is talking and they are making the mouths go with the rspca calling regular due to her. she accually has a dog which is fleebitten, never walked and the dogs poo never cleaned up from her yard. i have now found out im expecting a baby and cant take it anymore. when the rspca 1st come out they complained as i had a dog cage in the dinning room inwhich the male sleeps and goes in to escape the bitch. he also goes in when we have to leave him in the house as he gets distressed when we are out. they also complained as i have to keep the male tied up when outside as he can escape over our 6 ft fence and like to help himself to live chickens. (part of his diet allow dead ones bought from asda). he is also walked on a choker chain which apparently is unkind . he was also kicked as a puppy before we got him when he escaped by a gang of males so is frighterend by males young and old, or anyone butch looking. he grawls at them and if the even point a finger he will nip them. he is generally a soft dog and we can do anything we want to him he has never grawled at kids he knows or me, however my partner is different 95% of the time he is brilliant but he doesnt like affority. anyone who knows huskies knows they are unable to be let off the lead as they will run and not return and can break there collours regular. the bitch is totaly different she is soft as muck and can take her anywhere off the lead. i am fed up of this harrasment and we have had animals all our lives, none has been of concern. im the animal lover that would take any animal off the street, and as soon as i think somethink is different with dogs or our cat its a visit to our vets. 99% wasted time but better to have my mind put to rest. i have once reported an animal neglect and this dog had a broken leg and tail n was hit by a car(owner chucked his ball onto a dual carraigeway and never stoped the dog going after ball but was later laughting about it.) and owners wouldnt do anythink about it, the rspca never investigated them, i then stopped sponsering the rspca and then spoke to a money collecter whom confermed only 45% of calls accually get investigated then why me when my animals are healthy and adored. it would brake my heart if my dogs and cat was taken from me, a big part of me would die and i dont think i would own a pet after. what can i do to stop this harrasment
     
  8. cinnamontoast

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    Wow. Old thread ressurected!

    Re-read all the advice given over the past three pages and follow it. Invite the RSPCA to visit at any time to check how the dogs are kept and get a note put on the system to say that the neighbours are making malicious calls.
     
  9. Hiafa123

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    Is the cul de sac that you live in all privately owned houses or do they belong to a housing association/local authority. The reason for asking is that if they belong to a housing assoc/local authority you can report the tenant to them for what would be classed as "anti social behaviour" . The HA/LA have an obligation to act upon such complaints( the police would be able to assist with this). Even if they are owners they can still be awarded a ASB order. If it persists they will evict the tenants.

    Good luck with your case
     
  10. Sleeping_Lion

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    Apols as I've only read this first bit, the RSPCA have b*gga all authority to do anything, so the next time they call round, just tell them that unless they get a warrant then you do not want them on your private property. If they want to take it further, if they believe the allegations are serious, they will have to involve the police, in which case, if the accusations are false, then the person making them, should be charged with wasting police time :)

    The RSPCA is a charitable organisation, it has no authority, nor should it be involved with things like this, it's a police matter. I think the central organisation has forgotten why it was set up, some of the people on the ground are out there doing as much good as they can, but they waste ridiculous amounts of time and money getting involved in things they have no right to in the first place.
     
  11. cavmad

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    I had the RSPCA round a couple of weeks ago someone complained i had loads of dogs that were never exercised and lived in appaling conditions.Iknow who it was as she said if i kept Briggs she would report me.She was the one who was working my collie at flyball and picked him up and threw him to the ground saying he was totally out of control.He arrived when i was up in the paddock playing ball and told him i have permission from the farmers around to use their fields if no stock in them. I told the inspector this and he checked all my animalss except one cat who was out the others came in when i called them.He said he would make a note that it was a malicous call and that if anyone complained again it was to be ignored.He said he couldnt tell me who it was but i took great delight in telling people at training what had happened infront of the person i knew had reported me adding that they were thinking about prosecuting the person who reported me for wasting their time and resorses
     
  12. whitestones

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    I have a neighbour who ripped up my lawn and had a builder in to build a huge seating on my land whilst I was at work. I went through legal process and evicted her but she has been harassing me and reported me to RSPCA for cruelty to my cat :eek:
    I got a huge shock when RSPCA "inspector" rang me - she was very threatening and abusive and when I tried to explain re neighbour she shouted me down ! I got vet advice and advice from SHG re my rights and will not allow them over my doorstep nor will I allow them access to my pet. I have logged this with police and council both of whom know I have problem with mentally unstable neighbour.
    What really appalled me was the attitude of RSPCA - I had to point out to the female member of staff who rang me that she was just a member of the public who worked for a charity, she was not the police and certainly not a member of the gestapo and that her title of Inspector was merely an office title. I must say my opinion of the RSPCA has plummeted!
     
  13. Ditsy42

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    wouldn't give the RSPCA the steam off my.........
     
  14. 912142

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    What about Freedom of Information Act as opposed to Data Protection Act? Is it possible that your lawyer could write to the RSPCA and request the information with a view to sending a letter along the lines of 'if this continues you will sue for defamation of character'!
     
  15. whitestones

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    I have logged with police and council that I had a malicious complaint made and have also logged with police the abusive nature of the call from the RSPCA. I also contacted office RSPCA and complained about the member of staff. I am gonna make sure that I tape any calls or visits I have from RSPCA in future and if they are abusive in nature will report them to the police. I think it is terrible that a charity that was set up to aid animals now behaves in such a manner - people will lose any trust in them and it is animals in real need who will suffer and not some bully who has no respect for their fellow citizen.
     
  16. Beagle Mafia

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    I know this is an old thread but this advice is brilliant :)

    when we had neighbour troubles I wish I knew this
     
  17. Horse and Hound

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    Nor me!!!!! :mad:
     
  18. tazsdad

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    think the op stated this all started over (parking wars) and revenge was to get reported to rspca.can you not resolve the parking problem?sounds like a minor neighbour problem is getting out of hand.nothing to do with animal welfare just wasting rspca money and time to score points in a unrelated dispute.not blaming you but whoever called in rspca.should be prosecuted for something.its escalating and hope this person realises what could happen to your pets if they continue.
     
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