red itchy skin on shih tzu puppy, help?!

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  1. stephaphonic

    stephaphonic PetForums Newbie

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    Hi, I adopted a 10 week old female shih tzu last night, she has had all injection and been microchipped and I have the vet records for this. I have concerns over her skin, it is pink and looks dry the owner advised that the vet told her on Monday that this is normal and adding olive oil to the food will help this, however I have noticed that her fur is very fine and she has long fur and new fur growth underneath that is short. I have no idea if this is normal as my male shih tzu now 7 months old has always had a very thick and fluffy coat, but then the groomer said his coat is unusually thick for a Shih Tzu.

    Can anyone put my mind at rest as she's not seeing my vet for a health check until friday.
     

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  2. Manoy Moneelil

    Manoy Moneelil PetForums VIP

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    Pups can be pink as the skin is thin and blood flow in a hot environment (central heating?) might effect the dog's ability to cool down, dogs have few sweat glands and generally regulate temperature via blood flow through the lungs/tongue and panting.

    Friday is tomorrow so no point in fretting overnight.

    Is the skin the same all over? If it were just the belly you might investigate if there is irritation from the floor covering (new carpet) or cleaner used. You use the word itchy, if this is the case I would eliminate floor cleaners and shampoos from the dog's skin until it is cleared up. Many people shampoo their dogs far too frequently, brushing is better at keeping things clean.

    BTW, oily fish (Omega-3) is "good" for fur and skin and IMO Sunflower Oil is a better source of Vitamin E which is the other "good for skin" vitamin, compared to Olive Oil. But I wouldn't sweat about it. Oils for feeding not application.
     
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  3. Angel pedigrees

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    Im afraid to say her coat looks in terrible condition, this is NOT how the Shih Tzu coat should be at 10 weeks old, it looks very fine and quite hit and miss, personally i think she has a skin complaint of some kind, as for the breeder then if she knows anything about the breed she will know this is certainly not normal and not how the coat should be.

    Shih Tzu have a thick double coat, even at 10 weeks old it should thick and full.

    I would get her into your vet ASAP and also contact the breeder again and ask her what shes playing at!

    Are you in the UK ?? is she K.C Reg ??

    Sorry to be so blunt but the sooner you act the better xx
     
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    Just to give you an idea on size and coat this is Jasmine at 10 weeks old xx

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  5. Jugsmalone

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    I have to agree with Angel pedigress her coat does not look too good. Her coat looks very dry. I've never owned a shih tzu but all my puppies coats have been nice, full and fluffy at 10 weeks.

    You can use samlon oil for her skin and coat. This will help the dryness. I use the fish4dogs on one of my dog's who suffers really dry skin and coat due to an allergy and since taking it his coat and skin is a lot better.

    Take her to the vets and mention your concerns.
     
  6. xkimxo

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    Aww poor girl, fully agree with previous posters. Is she a full shih tzu? Hope you get to the bottom of it soon.
     
  7. Angel pedigrees

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    I have seen your earlier thread that you plan on having a litter with her ?? Sadly i do not think she is full Shih Tzu.
     
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    Puppies can get skin and fur mites that can cause the symptoms described.
    Demodectic mites are often seen in puppies. it can be localised just a few patches or generalised. They can get them from mum. Many dogs have a few demodectic mites that dont cause problems as a healthy immune system keeps them in check and stops them multipying. With pups who can get stressed and have imature immune systems they can cause a problem. Demodex lives in the hair follicles so can causse hair loss or thinning hair. it can also cause skin inflmmation. it is not always itchy but can be.

    There is also the Cheyletiella mite, you often see dry flaky skin with this and its often called walking dandruff as the mites that live on the skin can have the appearance of and make the flaky skin look like it is moving. Again this causes itchyness, red and flaking skin and hairloss or thinning hair.

    The other common mite is sarcoptic this lives and burrows in the skin, usually intensely itchy, and causes red dry skin. Thiining hair and hair loss.

    The usual way to check for mites is to do a skin scraping, as all the mites are microscopic, except the cheyletiella which you have a chance to see the moving somtimes with the naked eye. Sarcoptic mange there is also a blood test for.

    From your description mites should perhaps be ruled out. If Itching and scratching continues you can then sometimes get a secondary bacterial or fungal infection too.
     
  9. cinnamontoast

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    What are you feeding her? It might be an allergic reaction to poor quality food. Did the breeder give you any food? If there are lots of cereals, she may be reacting to this.

    Check out the dry and wet dog food threads above to see what is good and bad quality.

    This is definitely not normal and I think a skin scrape is a great idea. Hopefully your vet can recommend a soothing shampoo as it must be uncomfortable.
     
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    Oh god no, I'm having her neutered not breeding. The lady I inherited her from has had her for 10 days but now has to emigrate due to work. She has called the breeder for me today who has confirmed that she is a full shih tzu her vet records also state her as a full breed. She has also called her vet again and spoken to them as they see her on Monday for her second injection. They have said that apparently its normal and of they thought there was any treatment required they would have recommended this on Monday, I completely disagree with this as I feel there is an underlying skin problem which I'm hoping my vet will sort out tomorrow.

    If take her back but she is such a Lovely gentle dog and I think it's about time she got the care she requires as obviously somewhere along the line the previous people have not done what they could, which angers me.

    She came with food which is royal canin I have never used this brand of food before and my male is thrivIng and problem free on pedigree puppy food.

    I just hope I can get her treated so her coat can grow to what it should be, there is a lot of short new hair growth do this shouldn't take long.
     
  11. wiley80

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    I'm sorry to say it but i am inclined to agree with the others,i don't think this girl i full shih tzu...i bred shih tzus and none of our puppies looked like that :confused:
    As for the vets...well...my vet swears that my dog is full pug but i know both parents and know for a fact that she's not :rolleyes:
    Regardless of her breed she's a real cutie and i'm sure your vet will get to the bottom of her skin problems and she will be fine :)
     
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    I don't mind if she's a cross to be honest I just wanted the right dog, maybe my vet can advise on that tomorrow if she is I'd like to know what she's crossed with though lol
     
  13. wiley80

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    She's a beauty regardless :001_wub:
    I hope all goes well tomorrow!
     
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    stephaphonic PetForums Newbie

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    I will post an update to let everyone know. My friend has a shih tzu cross chihuahua and his hair is fine like hers do maybe that's what she is. We may never know.
     
  15. Angel pedigrees

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    She is beautiful no matter what :D

    Sadly She is not a Shih Tzu and the vets has no idea at all if they say she is, maybe her coat is just like that because shes crossed with a short haired breed ??

    I think the breeder needs a good talking too but probably wouldnt do any good.

    Royal Canin is usually fine and thats what all my Adults are fed on but i find Eukanuba is much better for them as puppies xx
     
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    This is a really good sign if her hair is growing back. How did you get on at the vets today?
     
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    Hi sorry just gOt back from the vet. Vet said its dry skin to give her oil and keep an eye on it, should see an improvement in 2 weeks, it could develop into a skin condition but it's common in the breed. Her coat will grow and thicken. He can't tell if she's a full breed or not so I guess time will tell on that, or I ask the breeder for proof that both parents are full shih tzu
     
  18. Angel pedigrees

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    Glad you have her all sorted, have to say i disagree with your vet with regards to skin conditions been common in the breed :rolleyes:

    I would contact the breeder for sure, dont you have a pedigree for her or anything ??
     
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    stephaphonic PetForums Newbie

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    3 different vets have said the same thing and google says the breed has dry skin conditions too. She has a very thick new coat coming through where the skin has started to settle down. She isnt kc registered. I got the breeders number and they have said again she's a full shih tzu and if I don't want her I can take her back to them, but I won't do that as she's been passed around as it is and I love her for what she is full breed or cross breed, I won't know what her coat will be like for at least 2-3 months till the skin settles and it can grow fully. Until then she'll have to be my scruffy cutie.
     
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    Google said last week i was dying :crazy:

    No really im only trying to be honest, i have been in and bred this breed for many years and she is not a Shih Tzu and i have never seen a Shih Tzu like her, i dont go out to upset people i just want them to know the truth, it sounds like you love her to bits and thats all that matters.

    Just didnt want you been blinded by vets and a so called Shih Tzu breeder x
     
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