my dog attacks other dogs.

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by stafflover, Dec 6, 2008.


  1. goodvic2

    goodvic2 PetForums VIP

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    Have you thought about just muzzling and taking him off the lead. A lot of dogs react like yours (mine still does at times, but only on the lead) as the lead means they cannot run away if they feel nervous, so feel the only thing they can do is fight or submit. Now I no longer need the muzzle. I tried a harness and although you physically have more control it allows the dog to pull more. My dogs use a half check collar, when I need to do a correction (which is usually when I walk past a dog!), I firmly but quickly pull the lead upwards or to the side (never backwards as this can cause them to pull forwards) and this "snaps" them out of it. When you see another dog you need to try to distract him and not allow him to focus on the dog, this is where using a half check collar has helped me. Also if you are physically having to pull him back, which you will have to with a harness on, then you are fueling his fight. He's pulling and your pulling. I'm not an expert, but with 2 problem rescue dogs, I've worked with a great behaviourist and we've solved many of these problems. I do find that taking my dogs to another park helps as when they know the area they feel more sure of them selves. Why not try a different place with a different method of controlling him? I understand how you prob feel, it's been a really tough year with my two and it's really good to be coming through to the other side! Good luck x
     
  2. KashasMum

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    :smile:Just thought I would say thanks for all the advice and guidance on this forum. I have now got a muzzle for Kasha and it has made me more relaxed. I can focus completely on her training.

    I might try a couple of different types of collar and lead too. She is calm enough on the harness generally, (except when she sees another dog) but I will try a check type collar for street walks to help me control her more when she sees a dog. I will use the harness and a longer lead for park visits. I might even be able to let her off lead with other dogs in the park now that she is muzzled.

    Thanks again for the advice x
     
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    hey i hav heard that staffs are known for becoming dog ggressive as they get older, no matter how well they are socialised..
    one of the main reasons sspca will not rehome a staff to anyone sharing a hallway or garden.

    its great you are being responsible muzzling her. other dog walkers will see you are being responsible too.

    have you got some friends with dogs you could walk them together and keep correcting bad behaviour?

    x
     
  4. ~jo~

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    Hey i also agree that your dog should always be kept on the lead untill he knows his boundries.
    I dont know if you have eve herd of the dog whisper??? My new dog (poss with a bit of staff in him) was very protective of me, and everyone in our house inclding our other dog jake.
    I maily used the cesars techniques and he is now a lot better (have had him 4months)any time on a walk you see his body language change i.e eras up, tail up body tense you need to destract him either by a side ways pull or a noise and carry on walking. Try to keep him at your side or slightly behind you and stay calm when he become tense with repatition he should calm down:)
     
  5. goodvic2

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    Gr8 advise from Jo, I have used Cesar's methods for some time now and I am making huge progress. You might find like I did, that because you are more confident with a muzzle on, this will pass on to him and eventually allow you to remove it. Most of the battle is us and the negative energy we send to our dogs. Best of luck though x
     
  6. Tigerneko

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    I have a Patterdale Terrier, he's about two years old, and he's very aggressive with other dogs. He's a rescue from the RSPCA, and he used to live with a staffie who was also in the kennels at the same time as him (but they weren't kept together) and i'm guessing they were alright together. Also, the first time I walked him after we got him, he was fine with other dogs in the park. However, while we've had him, he's just decided he doesn't want any of it any more, and he barks, squeals and pulls on the lead when he sees any other dogs, wether they're walking past or on the other side of the street.

    I've heard about lead aggression, but I don't know how to really test wether it is or not, because I wouldn't trust letting him off the lead.

    I really want to work with him and socialize him if it's possible, but my mum doesn't seem interested, the stupid woman seems to think it's acceptable to let him carry on like this, so she won't help me in trying to improve his behaviour, although i've explained to her god knows how many times that when training any dog, it has to be consistant with all members of the pack :mad:

    I don't know what to do with him. It's becoming a nightmare to walk him because i'm terrified of dogs off the lead coming up to mine and getting a gobfull off him. I also know my mum wouldn't use a muzzle if I bought one. I'm so scared of him biting another dog one day. It's got to the point that I ask other dog owners to put their dogs back on the lead when they come near. It makes me sound so ignorant and irresponsible, but without my mum's help, it's all I can do really.
     
  7. canine-rehabilitation

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    Fitting a muzzle to your dog is a temporary fix and not a solution to the problem. Anyone who's dog has behavioural issues needs to look closely at themselves and their behaviour around the animal. Also, are we giving the dog what he needs?
    The majority of canine issues,if not all are man made. Nothing though, is irreversible.
     
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  8. sallyanne

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    Your dog is on a lead so in the eyes of the law under control.

    I also shout to other owners if there loose dogs are making a beeline for mine,I also want to enjoy my walk without having numpties dogs jumping all over mine.
    The answer I usually get is it's ok mine are friendly :rolleyes: So I shout back that mine isn't,if they fail to heed my warning then that's there problem.I know I have done my best to diffuse a situation.

    I won't muzzle my dogs,simply because too many others have had a go with them,they wouldn't be able to defend themselves and by muzzling a dog aggressive dog,it could make the problem worse.
     
  9. Tigerneko

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    I totally agree with everything you said. People don't seem to realise that some dogs are kept on a lead for a reason!

    I also won't use a muzzle for the same reasons. I think using one could just make my dog feel threatened by others if he couldn't use his mouth. I've mentioned using a halti to my mum, and we even bought one but we put it on him once and she wouldn't use it again because he tried to swipe it off with his paws. I tried telling her that most dogs will have that reaction to a strange object being put around their heads for the first time, and that it's just a matter of getting him used to it, but she just won't entertain the thought of getting another one. I know they won't exactly stop him from barking or snapping, but it gives me such better control over his head, which is the dangerous end!
     
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    One of my sheps is dog aggressive so i never allow him of lead, hes fine with people just dogs and cats, i have tried to keep on walking and asking over people to put there dogs on a lead as they keep running over but most just say mines ok and dont bother to, i cant hold him as hes 8 stone when an off lead dog starts running towards him and not many people in this village keep there dogs on leads at all so now we drive over the moors every day so they get exercise as im usually holding two of them i cant walk round the streets where people just ignore me, and this is on a main st at that where cars are coming up and down all the time, but im trying my best to get him out of it but he has been bitten twice by JRS and once by another shep when he was a pup, i have him on a half check but he feels nothing when another dog goes for him, its quite upsetting really as some do just want to play but others are also aggressive .
     
  11. Tigerneko

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    I hate the "oh my dog is okay" thing, if my dog was alright with others, I wouldn't worry quite so much! You'd think it'd be obvious that you're trying to restrain your own dog.

    I feel sorry for people with large dogs in situations like that! Mine is only a little terrier so if things get a little bit out of hand, I can pick him up. I know I probably shouldn't, but it makes me feel better to know he's out of reach of the other dog. I've only ever had to pick him up once though. a GSD came running over to him, and although it meant well and only wanted to say hello to him, I didn't want my dog provoking it to fight! Luckily the owner took notice and called it back and put it on a lead.

    I had a horrible experience once with a very ignorant man in the park. He had a lively little cairn terrier that was running all over the place, so I stopped and wound my dog's lead in knowing that it was going to come over, and I shouted over to the owner to please put his dog on a lead, but he totally ignored me, and when his dog came bounding over, it made my dog panic and he jumped on it and started snarling, although he didn't bite it. The man gave me the most horrible look, so I went "THAT is exactly why I just told you to put your f***ing dog on a lead :mad:" I know I shouldn't have been so short, but I did warn him well before his dog came over to mine. And to top it all off, he shouted something back at me and started running after me! I just walked off as quick as I could, I wasn't gonna bloody stop and argue!
     
  12. sallyanne

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    Well my O/H and son have had a few run inns with other numpties over the past few weeks,once with a Dobe who charged my bitch growling and snarling,according to the owner it was been friendly :eek: My bitch bit it on the head,the owner then had a lecture off the O/H because it was supossed to have been onlead as well :rolleyes:

    Then a few weeks back they had a run in with a JR,my son had hold of Meg,this dog came snapping right in her face,she lunged at it and caught it.Luke just couldn't stop her but did well under the circumstances,honestly other owners I could loose it big time with them. :mad:
     
  13. Tigerneko

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    I know, I never get mad at the dog because it's only doing whatever its brain tells it to, whether that's to attack or go and say hello. It's the owners that are at fault because they should keep their dogs on a lead! They'll still be well exercised. It's just the sheer ignorance of people sometimes. They think just because their dog is friendly, that every other dog in the world will be.

    I'd be reluctant to let any dog of mine off the lead where there are other dogs unless I completely trusted them to recall (which mine probably won't).
     
  14. goodvic2

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    Hi. Sorry to hear that you are so frustrated. With 2 problem rescue's I've had my share of issues. My husband was a bit lax and un cooperative when I wanted to instill discipline or new ideas, it took my dad getting attacked for him to pull his finger out and take more of a leadership role. Just wondering, whose dog is it, your's or mum's? Can you not walk her all the time and tell your mum that if she won't do what's best for the dog not to walk her, or keep it to a minimum? It is possible that she is anxious being on a lead, but please don;t think this will answer all your problems. What's the recall like? ARe you confident that he will come back to you if you call and not charge at other dogs? I understand people's concern that a dog can't protect itself wearing a muzzle, but I would rather my dog got bit than attacked another dog. If you want to gauge his reaction, introduce a muzzle and use it at first when you walk past another dog. Try to walk past as many dogs as possible with the muzzle on and him off the lead and see what happens. If he starts charging at other dogs or acting aggressively whilst off the lead, then having him off the lead is not the answer.

    What I found with my dog was when I started off lead walking with him on the muzzle, I went into a very relaxed state. This in turn filtered through to Max and after a week or so, I could remove the muzzle. Max, is however a very nervous dog (hense the aggression issues) and does not go very far from me and his recall is superb. This gives me the peace of mind to be able to recall him if I don;t want him to go near a particular dog - usually small dogs.

    If you don't already, watch the Dog Whisperer, you'll get some great tips on successful lead walks.

    Good luck x
     
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    He's my mum and dad's dog, although I do live with them, so he's all of ours really. But the problem is, i'm out of the house at college from 6am-6pm, then stuck doing college work from 6pm-11pm nearly every night of the week, so I just don't have the time to walk him myself. So, I can't tell my mum not to walk him, because then he'd never get walked, because my dad doesn't bother to do it.
    And my dog is absoloutely round the bend in the house, so I haven't dared yet to let him off the lead to test his recall! But, he's extremely toy orientated, so if I was to bring a squeaky toy out on a walk with him, I think he'd come back straight away, so that's possibly something I could use to train him with recall. As for the muzzle thing, because I don't get the time to walk him, it's pointless even considering it, because I know for a fact that my mum wouldn't use one, she wouldn't even try a damn halti because she thought it was cruel!

    if I had the time to walk him and train him, i'd be trying every trick in the book, but until college holidays come, i'm never going to be able to help him.

    We did buy a halti, but my mum sold it over eBay because the dog didn't like it....she only tried it on him once! She doesn't seem to realise that it can take time for a dog to get used to something like that, as they don't know what it is or why they have to wear it. But, I get 12 weeks off college over summer, so i'm going to buy another one and get him used to it myself, then she has no excuse not to use it. I know it won't be quite the same as a muzzle, but it gives you so much more control over them than a chest harness (which is what we currently use for him and I find absoloutely useless!)
     
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    I've just started a threat about my dog's aggression with certain dogs (police caution). The police were very understanding but did suggest a muzzle and my husband isn't keen for the same reasons some of the posters suggest about Harry not feeling like he could defend himself.

    However, family members not getting onboard is hard - my oh persists on letting Harry off the lead and allowing him to get into scrapes with other dogs and my fear is it's only a matter of time before someone or some dog gets hurt and Harry is destroyed.

    We've found a distinct lack of good assistance in the North East of Scotland and tried a behaviourist but we need someone to come to our house and see him in his own environment and not a large hall full of excitable dogs or in a vets surgery!

    I have put Harry on dried food as he wasn't food motivated and now I can distract him a little outside with treats so I'm working on getting his attention before he goes ballastic and rewarding him when the dog passes.

    I'm resigned to a life of Harry not ever being off the lead - some dogs just can't! But the OH - well, he'll take more convincing. I'd rather have a lead walked dog for 14 years than a dog running free for 2!
     
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    the gsd i had 4 a while was like this i got him a muzzle i relaxed as i knew he couldnt bite & he never once did anything.we all just chilled it makes a huge difference xx
     
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    Hi. I never thought my dogs, especially Max would be off the lead, but with my husband now on board things have really improved. If your other half is not cooperating then there is prob not much point in paying money too see someone anyway, unless you take over all the walks. My husband will not walk Max off the lead, so it is down to me. Please don't resign yourself to not achieving off lead walks. My dogs were street dogs in Spain and totally unsocialised and almost ferril, if I can achieve it in a year then so can you. In saying that I can;t walk my dogs off lead together as they still have a negative pack instinct, however I KNOW I will achieve this over time. If you can change your other half, you can solve this problem (easier said than done!). Good luck x
     
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    Hi. I can totally understand your frustration, but without your mum on board, taking into account your hours, then there is nothing you can do. If you have sky get her to watch the dog whisperer for some education! x
     
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    Goodvic2 - what methods did you use to help your dogs. did you use your own previous experience or get outside help?

    I'd love to see him run and play with his pals because we all enjoy that.
     
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