Mating without a tie/lock?

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  1. jadiee-x

    jadiee-x PetForums Newbie

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    Hi,
    A week ago I bred my labmaraner bitch Meg to a weimaraner stud, Balou.
    Right away Balou was very attracted to her, within 2 seconds of first seeing her, he tried mounting her, of which we pulled apart as we didnt quite want them doing their business in the middle of the kitchen!

    Well, Meg is 2 and half years old, on her 3rd season. For the first couple of hours, Meg just wanted to play, after a wile she allowed Balou to mount her but he just wasnt aiming properly.
    We left them alone for a little while as they were a bit distracted and kept looking at us, just like a child would do when they meet new friends. Please note there was someone on hand, just not me or the studs owner.

    Well, when my mum checked up on them she did notice what she believed to be semen dripping out of Meg after Balou had mounted her. However this wasnt very long atall, we arent sure just how long this lasted but they werent left out of our sight for more than 5-10 minutes. However we are very certain they hadnt tied atall.

    For two dogs to mate without tying, how quick could this last for a successful litter. I hear they can concieve without tying.

    48 hours after, we tried again, this time at the studs house. The two dogs tried once and my girl pulled away, the boy didnt even try to mount after and they just werent interested in eachother, so we came back home.

    Meg was showing some strange behaviour after the first 'mating' she was just moping around feeling sorry for herself and just wasn't her usual self.
    Since she has bucked up a bit and is almost her normal self, but she is getting very weary of our 5 year old, whom she usually tolerates completely no matter what he does to her.
    Ive noticed too, that since she has been bred when she get protective her fur rises on her scruff and her back. Ive seen this on other dogs, but for meg this is a new thing!

    We dont have our hopes up as we know its very unlikely for her to have concieved, but she has just been acting strangely since. The day after the first time also, she wouldn't eat her meat in her dinner either, completely didnt wanna know anything. Which i believe was the VERY first time she has ever turned down tinned dog food!! :scared:

    This was indeed our first time breeding and have researched as much as we can, but tings like this just cant be found without asking others that have been through the experience of a possibly pregnant bitch.

    Any help will be absolutely great!!
    Thank you :):arf:
     
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  2. swarthy

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    A bitch can get pregnant from a slip mating, but to leave what sounds like two maiden dogs alone to mate is sheer stupidity and quite irresponsible, you are lucky you don't have a seriously injured stud, bitch or both. In fact, to leave any two dogs alone for mating is quite irresponsible.

    It sounds like you weren't even there, what would you have done if they had tied, and the bitch had panicked - the consequences could have been VERY serious. What if the dog had got stuck turning on the tie and panicked?

    Dogs don't have the same emotions as humans, and quite often to get a successful tie, you need to get pretty personal with the dog, hence why owning a stud dog is not for the faint hearted
     
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    er why pull them apart in the kitchen? where they tied?? why put then there in the first place to mate??
     
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    I completely understand what that must of sound like, but I myself was not there for those 5 minutes, they were with my dad who was on the full understanding that if they just happened to tie during that time to hold Meg still and not let her panic
    He just isnt aware of how long Balou had managed to get his way with our girl, as everytime he was mounting her he was missing completely.

    Secondly Balou the stud, is an experienced stud not a maiden dog.

    Im here to be given adivce and not to be called irresponsible, yes tell me they shouldnt have been left alone, but you dont have to tell me im stupid and irresponsible for doing it. The stud dogs owner was the one to tell us to leave them for 5 minutes, meaning me and them, as we seemed to be the ones that were looked upon by the dogs every 30 seconds. We were just in the next room out of the dogs way.
     
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    It's entirely possible for her to get pregnant from a slip mating all that's required is some semen to enter her which it sounds like has happened. But I thought you didn't leave mating dogs alone...
     
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    My friends bitch had aslip mating resulting in 13 puppies so yes they can catch i would get her scanned once she is 30 days from the slip mating at least you will know
     
  7. jadiee-x

    jadiee-x PetForums Newbie

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    No no dexter, they weren't tied atall, it was a case of meg being introduced Balou in the kitchen, we expecting sniffing and a little meet and greet so kept Balou on the lead but straight away he mounted her within literally seconds, we thought it would be best for them to have the run of the garden out of kids way rather than in a dingy kitchen with a young child wanting to see and stroke this new dog that have turned up. :001_cool:
     
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    So the stud dog owner was with the dogs all the time then? he must be another version of Arnie to be confident of holding two mating dogs if they tie.

    I'm sorry, I will tell you you are irresponsible, and I say that because people need to be aware that this is NOT the way that dogs should be mated - it's not human flowers and hearts and roses, it is nature at it's most basic - and even experienced stud dogs need help to be directed to where they need to go at times.

    Maiden bitches can go into a serious panic when they tie - and they cannot physically be separated - cue two potentially very seriously injured dogs.
     
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    As has been said, it is perfectly possible to have a litter from a slip mating - time will tell. What day of her season was she on? did you premate her? how did you know what day to take her to the stud?

    I have to agree with both Swarthy and Dexter - while it may be acceptable to stay a discrete distance, someone should have been watching them all the time.

    I think then that the stud owner leaves a lot to be desired, however, there are as many irresponsible stud owners as there are breeders, and I suspect you won't find it easy finding a good stud dog if you are breeding a crossbreed.
     
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    Considering they were left alone could it be possible the stud has hurt her and that's why she's acting differently?
     
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    Thanks guys,
    Ive had try to clear a few bits up here, my initial post did indeed sound like the dogs were left completely by themselves, they hadn't been. They had been left with my dad who was left with clear instructions if they were to tie, including to literally call our names, seeing as it was only a wall that separated us from the garden.

    I was just wondering if there were any, perhaps, non text book early signs of pregnancy coming from experience. Like how the girl behaves, the little things.
     
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  12. Nicky10

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    Not every bitch is going to show textbook signs. Take her to the vet they will be able to tell if she or not.
     
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    I don't think there are many signs, if any especially so early on.
     
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    Why on earth were they introduced in the kitchen instead of where the mating was to take place?

    I'm sorry, but from what you have said this is a sad situation. I can only hope that if she has caught (not the best outcome) that you do some serious research and learning fast and get a knowledgeable experienced breeder (not the stud owner) to act as a support.
     
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    I'm quite confident with holding my dog and bitch, and I have held 2 Bullmastiffs on my own at times. (although there was always someone there just in case)
     
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    In answer to your question OP, yes she could be pregnant, but there is no guarantee. All you can do is get her scanned.

    ffs, the mating (or not) has already happened, no point in going on about what should have been.....:rolleyes:
     
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    So which one was it? If they had been left with your dad he would have seen whether it was a tie or a slip mating. If, as you originally say it was just your mum noticing what was semen dripping out of her, why did your dad not see what had happened.:rolleyes:
     
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    Why are you trying to catch me out?
    I came on here asking for advice not for people to show their claws.

    As i mentioned we KNOW it was not a tie mating. The dogs were mounting on and off for hours, but each time we could see he was not aiming in the right direction. Obviously, my dad wasn't aware that the stud had actually managed to enter her, thus not recalling how long he was inside her, it could have been 10 seconds, it could have been 5 mintues. We were called and the dogs unmounted, this is when my mum saw this.

    Please may I also re-mention this was a first time mating experience. Im not a breeder and I'm not going to be doing everything the way experts like to do it. I done research and also took advice from the stud owner, as Balou has had several litters. Yes I made mistakes and was a tad clumsy, but I would never ever put my dog at risk on purpose.
     
  19. jadiee-x

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    Thank you, I really appreciate that.
    One negative comment and they spiral, on every single chat forum you go on its the same thing. :eek:
     
  20. sequeena

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    As you say it happens everywhere but I'm glad you have come for advice. That in itself shows you want to do the right thing by mum and puppies :)
     
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