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Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by KayElleDee, Feb 11, 2012.


  1. KayElleDee

    KayElleDee PetForums Member

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    On Saturday night my mum brought a dog round to my house. the dog belonged to the old lady who lived next door to her. I've known this dog for around 4 years now so I'm assuming she is around 4, she's beautiful a lovely little pomeranian x chihuahua.
    The old lady has gone into hospital and my mum has taken her 3 dogs on to look after as she is very ill and cant take care of them herself and none of her family are willing to help, basically her own daughter told my mum that as far as she is concerned the dogs can be put down!!!

    The dogs are 2 male pomeranians and a female pomeranian x chihuahua, none of them are spayed or neutered.

    the female is considerably larger to the last time i saw her and upon feeling her stomach i could have sworn i felt something.
    Tuesday i took her to the vets for a scan and turns out she is pregnant, the vet reckons she is around 6-7 weeks pregnant judging on the size of the pups.

    i told my mum and she told me that on christmas day she went out to put the bins out and she saw the female and one of the males tied in the back garden, she went round and told the owner and the owner said it will be ok and she would have her to the vets. about a week and a half later she saw them again tied in the back garden. the owner took the dog to the vet and we assumed the pregnancy had been terminated.

    judging by what the vet said im thinking she became pregnant from the first time, which makes her coming up to week 7.
    i dont think the owner is going to be out of hospital in the next 2 weeks and i cant turn her over to a rescue place, id feel awful.

    This is not my first litter as my own pomeranians had a litter and everything went fine so i do know what to expect. both mine are spayed/neutered now so i dont have any of the whelping kit or information i had back then.

    she doesnt seem to be in any discomfort at the moment however she does feel very very round, but should i be able to feel the pups moving now?i remember with my own litter i couldnt feel the pups until week 8. is it possible shes further on than week 7? could she have allowed the male to tie with her over a 3 week space? and if so what would happen, could she have become pregnant and then tied again? is it possible to be pregnant with 2 litters of different ages? sorry if they seem like ridiculous questions but i have never been in this situation before.
    the vet said she definitely saw 2 pups, i saw these two myself but she said there could be another she wasnt 100%
     
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  2. Sleeping_Lion

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    I'd say no, a bitch only ovulates once during her season, as far as I'm aware, so she should just have the one litter. Some will stand throughout their season whether they are ovulating or not, so it's possible for them to have tied quite sime time apart. It could be either of the times they mated that the bitch was ovulating, I think Swarthy on here has a bitch that stands pretty much throughout the season, I just hope the vet has a bit of knowledge about canine reproduction and can help you guess which date you need to be aiming for. A week overdue could be pretty serious for her I'd imagine, I hope some more experienced breeders are along soon to comment, I'm just about to embark (hopefully) on a first litter from my bitch so am going on head knowledge only :eek:

    Good luck to you and the bitch, I hope she comes through ok. Do you know what will happen to the dogs after this lady is out of hospital?

    x
     
  3. KayElleDee

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    Thank you for your reply. I feel a bit better now knowing there will only be one litter, i'd hate to think she was going to go through it twice in a week.

    The vet i took her to is very good, its the only vet i have used and probably would use for my own dogs so i hope she is also reliable with these dates.

    I haven't had any thought yet as to what would happen, my mum is going to visit the lady tonight and so is going to tell her of the situation and suggest that mum and pups stay with me, until she is well again and pups are older as like i said this lady is far to ill to look after older dogs never mind newborns.

    I know many people will see it as i have no right to offer this or to interfere but i have made the decision now and just hope she agrees to it.
     
  4. mich1971

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    One of my girls will stand through her entire season, the floosy lol. Bitches only ovulate the once and all eggs are fertilised at the same time. Can you take her back for another scan and get a more reliable indication of dates if you are concerned, i would recommend someone that does the scanning on a regular basis rather than the vet, i personally use a sheep scanner. That way, you will have a better idea of when she is due and can be prepared, also you will need to know incase she goes over her date as there may be a problem.

    Fingers crossed for you
     
  5. KayElleDee

    KayElleDee PetForums Member

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    Ah i definitely feel better knowing that thank you.

    How will i find a sheep scanner? should i Google it?

    My mum asked the woman and she said she would think about it, i would have thought she'd be grateful of the help though.

    When my own dog was pregnant i didnt change her over to puppy food, would you recommend i do it now?
     
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    A bit harsh, don't you think? The little old lady didn't ask to become ill.. Her family have said that they wouldn't care if the dogs were PTS.

    OP, you're doing a wonderful job of taking care of the dogs, I'm sure the lady will be over the moon that her babies are being taken care of.

    x
     
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  7. mich1971

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    You could put her onto the puppy version of the food she is on now (assuming it is a decent quality food), divide her meals up into smaller meals as there isn't much room for food in the last weeks.

    Get her whelping area ready, she is probably feeling a little overwhelmed at the mo as her owner is not around. Make sure it is somewhere nice and quiet where she can relax with her babies. Get your whelping kit together so you are prepared. If you need any help you are more than welcome to pm me.


    Nancy23 - words fail me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:nonod:
     
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    are you having a bad day? you seem to be unnessesarily negative (and a little rude imo) today for some reason...
     
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    Well, they don't fail me, but I think I had better keep them to myself till I feel better.:(
     
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    For information check out the stickys from the main page.... they were a godsend to me with both of my litters - hugs for being so considerate and good luck for the whelping x
     
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    Have edited this thread somewhat. Uncalled comments will not be allowed...
     
  12. claire & the gang

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    If the ladies own family are not interested well done to you for trying to do your best for this girl.

    I`m not sure where about you are in Bishop Auckland but if you can`t find a sheep scanner near you and would travel to Newcastle i`d scan her for you at no cost:)
     
  13. KayElleDee

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    Im very confused have i missed something? whats harsh?

    Thank you, the lady told my mum this morning that she is fine with her girl, Poppy, staying with me until the pups are rehomed. I have her booked in the groomers in the morning to have a full brush and have her coat clipped as she is quite tatty. i have read that some people give dogs a "maternity cut"" do you think this would be a good idea or will she be ok, as i know she will shed some of her coat any way
     
  14. KayElleDee

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    She is currently on Pedigree small dog food, is this a good food or not? i never know with large brand names. My own are on Royal canin, would it be wise to switch her to this or not?

    Thank you for the help, i bought a plastic dog bed today for her and i still have the heat pad i used last time, it will be washed of course.

    i am going to order this for her : DEFINITIVE Whelping Kit dog welping box puppy ID bands | eBay

    is there anything missing which i will need?
     
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    I think a post has been edited/deleted somewhere :)
     
  16. AngelEyes92

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    The 'harsh' comment wasn't aimed at you- somebody posted something along the lines of "maybe the old bag will die and then the dogs can go to someone who actually cases" ... was calling the poster harsh.

    Tha's brilliant news, so glad she's agreed. You don't really need to give her a maternity cut as such, just trim the fur from her nipples and vulva.

    Keep us updated, i'd love to hear about the progress.

    x
     
  17. KayElleDee

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    I have found someone willing to scan her for me, im taking her to him on tuesday, thank you so much for the offer, it is greatly appreciated :)
     
  18. KayElleDee

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    :O thats awful. She's not a bad lady, i know she loves her dogs dearly, its just the past few months she has been very ill, in and out of hospital and she just isnt really with it lately.

    Ah im so glad, id hate to have her belly shaved as she has a beautiful coat
    I'll definitely keep updating about her :)
    thank you for the help x
     
  19. mich1971

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    If it would help, this is what my whelping kit consists of:

    Whelping Box
    Vet Bed
    Newspapers (lots of)
    Towels (to clean off pups)
    Heat Pad
    Box (incase pups need to go to vets)
    Obstetric gel
    Dopram V
    Puppy Stim
    Puppy milk and bottles (just in case)
    Disinfectant (mistral)
    Bin bags
    Whelping Chart
    Scales
    Puppy id bands

    Coffee - lots of coffee lol

    Have your vets no to hand, have the car prepared and ready to go. Have a torch handy just in case she wants to go out for a wee or you need to take her to the vets in the car and she produces a pup on the way.

    Good luck ;)
     
  20. newfiesmum

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    a moderator removed a very nasty post, which left others wondering what everyone was talking about.

    Pedigree is a really bad food. I use Royal Canin and I think it is great, though a lot of members do not like it. Anything you can buy in a supermarket is usually rubbish.

    You are spending an awful lot of money on a dog that isn't yours and, don't get me wrong, I think what you are doing is wonderful. But what is going to happen when this woman comes home from hospital? Is she going to want her dog back and are you going to let her go back and probably end up in a state again?

    I think you need to try to persuade her to sign the dog over to you if you can. She obviously cannot look after her.
     
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