3 year old springer needs a new home

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  1. Springerdad

    Springerdad PetForums Newbie

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    Hi im so devastated to have to be writing this but I have a beautiful 3 year old liver and white springer Spaniel I have to let go. Myself partner and 2 little children have had sonny from a new pup and he is the most loving dog we could of asked for although we are having trouble with him. We are not sure what's causing it but put it down to protecting he has bitten a child for entering our garden and yesterday a girl in the street when she was arguing with her brother, anyone that knows sonny says its so out of character as he is so loving and can't get close enough for cuddles!! We just feel as a family with two small children who constantly have friends round we can't cope with the stress of worrying it will happen again or worse the next mother of child won't be so understanding and sonny will be put down! I'm writing on here as I don't have a clue about how to rehome him and feel uncomfortable dropping at some kennels. All suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou
     
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  2. Holtie

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    Hi there,

    I am really sorry to hear of your unfortunate dilemma and the decision to rehome any dog is an extremely difficult decision.

    I am wondering if you have tried contacting a recommended Dog Behaviourist (via your Vets) to try and get to the underlying issue that your dog may have and work on resolving the situation. It will take time and effort and if you really wish to keep your dog, you would be willing to make time for this :)

    I would have a chat with your vets to see if they can put you in the right direction.

    All ther best :)
     
  3. ClaireandDaisy

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    I suggest you contact Breed Rescue.
     
  4. Supasilvfoxy

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    You could also try your local Springer rescue - they have one in most towns I believe. Try this one I googled for you. They will happily put you in touch with your nearest branch I'm sure, even if they can't help you directly themselves

    Welcome

    I wouldnt feel bad or uncomfortable about this. Stuff happens and life gets difficult for us all at times.

    You've done really well coming on here to ask for advice.
     
  5. Sled dog hotel

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    If he has been exemplary for 3 years and all this has happened suddenly and out of character, then it could be possible that there is an underlying physical cause. Dogs that are in discomfort, pain or unwell, can become reactive, or even agressive it has been known.

    You do have some options to check out before you give him up.

    Obviously in the meantime you need to ensure he is kept away from the situation of other kids and ones he doesnt know, and also only closely supervised with your own and separated when they cant be closely supervised.

    You could get him a thorough physical vet check,inclusing an orthopaedic examination, also including the normal range of blood tests plus also a Full Thyroid panel. Sometimes you cant see if there is anything amiss on the normal physical and not everything may be detected.

    Further to this if no physical problems are found that may be causing it, you could get a behavioural assessment from a behaviourist. The vet will either be able to refer you to one or you can find one on CAPBT - COAPE Association of Pet Behaviourists and Trainers in your area although some will want a refferal or letter from the vet first anyway.

    It might also be worth you having a chat to springer spaniel welfare, they dont only rehome dogs but will also help owners who are having problems and will be able to give you the benefit and help of springer breed specific advice and experience.
    Home - English Springer Spaniel Welfare is their website and you should find contact details on there.

    There are also some other english spinger rescues and area contact details on the link below.
    Spaniel (English Springer) Breed Rescue
     
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    Would you say he has bitten, or nipped?

    I agree with sled dog hotel, this behaviour could be caused by an illness. You really owe it to your dog to investigate this before he is rehomed. It could be easily resolved.

    If he is given the all clear medically, I personally would be going down the behaviourist route before rehoming.

    If you do decide to rehome then I can highly recommend NESSR, ask to speak to Cynthia who is very good.
     
  7. Springerdad

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    Thankyou all for your replies. Both incidents have been in a space of a year but he has always been wary of strangers coming into his house. We have spoken to vet but didn't get much feedback just was told that its usual for springers to be protective! The first incident was a bite the boy had 2 puncture holes on his knee but the second was a nip as much as I know he is only protecting as a parent mysf I can't help but beat myself up.
     
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  8. Nagini

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    you can't rehome a dog that has bitten , twice , it's a very irresponsible thing to do without getting to the underlying cause of the problem.
     
  9. Springerdad

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    This is not decision we are taking lightly but like I said before we have 2 small children ourselves who will suffer by not being allowed to have friends in. The first Incident was a year ago and we have done everything we can to prevent it happening again ie keeping him in conservatory when guests come taking him to less public places for walks. But now it's happened a second time we are at our wits end and so frightened he will do it again and be destroyed! We think maybe he is better off with an older couple with alot of time to give although he is walked twice a day we both work so he is left on his own during the day. Which begs the question could it be our fault for not interacting him with strangers enough? Please don't think we are doing this as a quick fix because its not like I said I'm just so worried it will happen again and he will be put down, I would never forgive myself .
     
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    I am surprised your vet said that it is usual for springers to be protective, I have owned both welsh and English and never found them to be that way. You say to rehouse with an older couple but I don't think that is the answer. Being honest I would get in touch with springer rescue and they will assess his needs and make sure he goes to someone who will be able to cope with his character.

    Has the vet checked him for any problems, including his eyes ?
     
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    If this is recent behaviour and your vet is just shrugging it off, find another vet. When dogs change character like this, there is often an underlying medical cause which you know nothing about.
     
  12. Nagini

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    if you don't get him medically assessed , he could end up being put down anyway because rescues can only act on the information you give them , so if your saying he's healthy they will have no reason to believe otherwise.

    thing is , you can't just pass him on either , it could potentially be dangerous to do so. you can't expect people to take on his problems if he's bitten.
     
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    Thankyou, we have an appointment with vet tomorrow
     
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    Change vets! It is not normal for springers to be hugely protective.
     
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    I agree with this post :)
     
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    We were told the phrase springers rage?
     
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    What you mean I think is rage syndrome, which is more likely found in cocker spaniels as far as I know. This does not sound at all like rage syndrome, just a dog who is getting confused as to who is friend and who is foe.

    To be honest, no rescue is going to take a dog who has bitten a child. My friend had a cocker who hated children, and she got around it by muzzling him whenever children came round or whenever they took him out. Unfortunately one day her daughter turned up unexpectedly with her baby and while she was getting the muzzle the dog badly mauled the baby.

    None of the rescues would take him, not even Dogs Trust who say they never put a healthy dog down. You might manage if you are prepared to muzzle the dog most of the time, but if there is an underlying medical cause that can get sorted out, so much the better.

    The vet should not be bandying phrases like rage syndrome which is incurable and dangerous. I hope you have a different vet to go to.
     
  18. Sled dog hotel

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    Although springer and cocker rage as its also called as seen in cockers, is known the cause is of it isnt confirmed. Its thought to possibily be a form of epilepsy.

    In this though the dogs often attack for no apparent reason and totally without warning, they can even be asleep and suddenly wake and go into an attack. They usually have dilated pupils, seem disorientated and confused after and many its hard to try to even stop an attack, Its usually sudden and without any warning whatsoever, so its easy to see why it is thought to be some kind of epilepsy. So unless she is showing anything like this it doesnt sound like it.

    One of the things that I did mention previously that can actually cause seizures as well as changes in behaviour from fearful, nervous to agressive episodes for more on that see links.

    Behavioral changes associated with thyroid dysfunction in dogs.

    Are your dogs seizures caused by Canine Epilepsy or Autoimmune Thyroiditis?

    You can get physical symptoms with it also, bt it can manifest in different ways one of mines only real sign was seizures.

    Clinical Signs of Canine Hypothyroidism

    It may not be this but it just as easily could its common in a lot of breeds, and can be genetic or has genetic tendencies.

    Might be worth having a read and see if anything else might fit, although it can be just one or two symptoms and can manifest differently a check may reveal there is perhaps some other things that she has.
     
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