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Old 01-08-2009, 10:58 PM
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Funny how you use loads of medication....gonna stop taking it? No of curse you wont.
A lot of people take medication, how it was tested no one knows. and my personal business has no place in a forum like this.
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A lot of people take medication, how it was tested no one knows. and my personal business has no place in a forum like this.
If you were that interested you would check out if your medication was tested on animals.
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Funny how you use loads of medication....gonna stop taking it? No of curse you wont.
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You aired your views on this forum...im merely suggesting if you were as concerned as you claimed then you would do your research and stick by your morals.
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I have to agree FS

Either way in a perfect world no-one would get sick and no animals would get hurt but this isn't a perfect world.
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Re: Should vivisection be banned?

lets not argue, it matters not if you use the meds or not, about 80% of stuff passed by animal testing killed people and probably about the same percentage of stuff that wasnt passed by animal testing has saved lives. so even if a drug has been tested on animals orriginally its probaly been changed before being administered to people anyway!! also almost everyone deserves the right to live if thats what they want ok it might not be fair but if the will to live is that great theres not much other choice!!!

the point is there is no need to test medicines on animals with percentages like that, personally i wouldnt want to use drugs proved to work in mice as surley thats mice medicine not peoples!!! i dont know anyone that would take an animals medication if they had a similar illness to them, that would be stupid!! there are plenty of alternatives and spare people to test on! criminals, illegal immigrants etc so why waste animal life!! its unessecary and cruel
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Either way in a perfect world no-one would get sick and no animals would get hurt but this isn't a perfect world.
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Re: Should vivisection be banned?

toxicology testing on animals is extremely unreliable you might aswell toss a coin!

“Currently, nine out of ten experimental drugs fail in clinical studies because we cannot accurately predict how they will behave in people based on laboratory and animal studies.”
(Mike Leavitt, Health and Human Services Secretary, Food and Drug Administration Press Release Jan 12th 2006)

This means that even after all the animal tests, less than 1 in 10 drugs actually make it to become prescription drugs. This is a massive failure rate, which the FDA, one of the main drug regulators in the world, acknowledges.

Despite using over 100 million animals worldwide every year, less than 30 brand new drugs come onto the market on average every year in the US (the largest pharmaceutical market). This shows how hugely wasteful animal testing is.
(Anon 2008. Editorial: “Only 17 new molecular entities were approved by the US FDA in 2007, a fall from 53 in 1996”. Science 320, 1563)and Estimates of worldwide laboratory animal use in 2005. Alternatives to Laboratory Animals 36, 327–342.)
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Re: Should vivisection be banned?

This is a very emotive subject. I take regular prescribed drugs for arthritis and high blood pressure - I know that when these drugs were researched they will have been tested on animals because that is the way things are done. The drugs are there; I need them in order to live; it is a fact of life.

However, all the latest research seems to be pointing towards the fact that testing on animals is actually unnecessary, so why should we continue to do it? Just because we did it in the past doesn't mean that we have to keep on doing it. I would much prefer to take a drug that has not been tested upon animals - at the moment, I do not have a choice.
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This is a very emotive subject. I take regular prescribed drugs for arthritis and high blood pressure - I know that when these drugs were researched they will have been tested on animals because that is the way things are done. The drugs are there; I need them in order to live; it is a fact of life.

However, all the latest research seems to be pointing towards the fact that testing on animals is actually unnecessary, so why should we continue to do it? Just because we did it in the past doesn't mean that we have to keep on doing it. I would much prefer to take a drug that has not been tested upon animals - at the moment, I do not have a choice.
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The Office star has united with actress Joanna Lumley OBE and rockers Brian May CBE and Chrissie Hynde for the cyber Mave Animal Testing History campaign, which features virtual cartoon versions of themselves championing the cause at End EU Animal Tests - Virtual March.

Ricky said: "When I was asked if I'd like to back the campaign to Make Animal Testing History I said 'yes' immediately, as it is a cause that I am very, very passionate about
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