hello all

am new to lizard care i am still in the "research" stage of getting the beardies
i don't plan on getting them till march 2010 i am in process of getting quotes
for vivs around the size of 48L 30H 24D

my 1st question is
is this a good size for 2 dragons the space in my bed room is limited to
48L but i could go deeper or higher to fit more space

2nd i was thinking of buying "High color Morhp" not sure if that's the
right term for them found it here Fire and Ice Dragons i know its a
American site not found any UK breeders yet that do this kind of thing
main part of this quest is are these types of beardies harder to
raise than the more common types of dragon

Part 2 is,
is it wrong to buy lab bread dragons
what i mean is i already care for 3 lovely rats and there is no way
i would buy from a pet shop as i know most pet shop buy there's
from rat farms is this genetic Morhp color something simler ?

3rd is when trying to avoid impaction i was thinking of getting
retri carpet X2 one always washed dose any one know of any
draw backs to using this stuff

I'm by no means an expert but do keep beardies. The vivarium size sounds adequate. Obviously the larger space you can provide, the more interesting and stimulating it can be made for the beardies. If your planning on keeping 2 together it really needs to be 2 females and even then there are no guarantees they will get on. Males together will fight and if a male and female are kept together permenantly the female will get stressed from all his advances and possibly over breed.

Someone from Chester imports and breeds Fire and Ice dragons. I'm not sure if he posts on here but he posts under the user name 'woodrott' on RFUK.

As far as I know beardies aren't bred in labs for the pet trade over here. Most are bred by hobbyists.

I've never used repti carpet but I believe quite a few people do. My own are kept on lino.

Hope that helps.

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thank you very much Snuggles i will pop over there and have a poke round

I've used a 55L for my first Beardie. And it was a perfect tank size for his entire lifespan.
He's still alive, but I sold him, before him and another female had offspringed. I now have a huge tank, with one juvenile Male Beardie. And he's calm, and happy in his new environment.

Think before buying many of these beatiful creatures.

I've also got a 55l viv and have 1 adult male and a juvenile female who get on very well....the problem with buying two beardys at the same time is they are very difficult to sex when they are young. I bought my male first then once he was old enough to sex I then went back to the same reptile specialist and bought my female beardy....the specialist was kind enough to keep hold of what we thought was a female beardy long enough so we could sex her! I do agree with Snuggles about the two males together....defo no no! My two are now living very happily together.

Good luck!

4ft X 2ft X 2ft is big enough for 1 dragon only u need to add a foot in depth and length as you add one more so they have plenty of space. if you look on RFUK there are many UK breeders and experts on there as it is more focused on reptiles.

hope this helps

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Hiya, in answer to your first question about the colour morphs, I myself love them! I would recommend this website, Bearded Dragons For Sale - BLOODBANKDRAGONS.COM, as it's not just easier to see, but their expo-month is coming up soon, which would be much cheaper than buying them off-expo. All you have to do is give him a quick email and I'm sure he'll give you his latest price list. I also recommend in keeping beardies... I miss my two dearly and can't wait to get a new one :-)

Those guys are in the states, or do they import to the UK and sell through reptile-shows and dealers? Their phone number has an Oregon dialling code...

i love the fire and ice dragons mine is currently in shed

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