We the smitten - Native Intelligence

so how come Zennie in the photo... wears a chain threaded thru her noseband?
from the description, she's no Northern Dancer, ready to punch somebody's lights out just to
brighten a dull day; WHY can't horse-handling get progressive?
harrumph harrumph harrumph... :---{

great story, but $%#@! those pictures of a chain over the foreface of an apparently human-friendly
and tolerant animal, who supposedly QUOTE, "likes people more than horses."
[groom *espinoza, who presumably would know.]

dog-handling and training is making progress from aversive + adversary to motivational + partner -
HOW COME horse-handling finds that so impossible?

and don;t bother objecting that i don;t know about horses, size, skittish, potential for injury, et al -
i grew-up around them, have BEEN trod on, squeezed against a stall, been lifted by a rear
with 3-ft of air between my soles and the ground; i still want to know, How come equine handling
is mired hub-deep in archaic methods and tools?

great story, lovely horse, terrific athlete -
lose the chain, and i;d mark it PERFECT.
JMO + IME,
- terry

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no, caro, i did not -
50 years ago, people were just as casually hidebound re DOGS and automatically punished dogs for "running off" [which of course meant the dog had COME BACK to be punished, or at least allowed themselves to be caught...],
they rubbed pup's or dog's noses in waste to punish housetraining errors, which truth be told where not the dog's mistake,
etc, etc.

dog-handling + training has moved on - horse-handling and training is largely still mired to the belly in seriously punitive tools and methods; it's time to change, and past time, IMO.
if dog-handlers and trainers can [and have] changed, the equine world should be capable of it, too.

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terry pride, APDT-Aus, apdt#1827, CVA, TDF
*wolves R wolves, dogs R dogs, + primates R us.*
tmp, sept-2007

Perhaps because horses are a darned sight stronger than dogs?!! I agree with you, but I think the general feeling is that horses are not as intelligent as dogs and not so easy to communicate with. I could be wrong, I often am, but that is how it seemed to me.

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oh, yeah?...
YouTube - Hevosagility.Hipin harjoitukset.Tunneli, puomi, pujottelu .

Don't misunderstand. I didn't say I thought they weren't as intelligent, just that I think that is the general feeling. We once had a pony who protected my 13 year old daughter from a strange man who was staring at her over the gate. She, the mare, trotted over to the gate and kept rearing up at him and frightened him away.

I suppose like the dominance type dog trainers, they just don't have the patience.

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If you wouldn't use it on a child, don't use it on a dog

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i have seen great changes in horse handling in the last 20 years with methods such as monty roberts and parrelli becoming much more the norm in England .I have only seen those chains used on strong stroppy stallions for safety reasons i suppose and agree that with good training they should not be necessary.

this young mare is big, granted, but she's also very human-friendly, well-handled + pretty bomb-proof;
so like U, i think a chain-shank over her nose is overkill.